Ford CJ's and Mopar DP's NHRA is now on the case

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Qwikpony

...So when NHRA asked these manufacturers to give them an HONEST set of power figures ( IN GOOD FAITH), they expected to be told the truth.

Do you really think that the OEM's submitted "HONEST" HP numbers in the "Good Old Days"?

[dwydendorf]

Have you guys that are complaining about Ford and Chrysler deflating the horsepower factors been living in a cave the last 45 years? Please spare us the self righteousness. Do you think that in 1966, it was just a fluke that a 426 hemi, 427 chevy and a 427 FE Ford were all rated at exactly 425 horsepower? How about the 1969 255 Hp 350 and the 1968- 70 428 Cobra Jet that are famous for being underfactored? How about the 67-69 290 HP 302 z-28 and the 69-70 boss 302 that was also rated at 290 HP. This stuff has been going on ever since I got involved with Stock and Super Stock 40 tears ago! How about just complaining about that fact that the horsepower factors aren't right and get off your high horse about Ford and Chrysler sending in conservative numbers. I will bet that if you pulled up a Dyno Sheet from all of the engines , you might be able to find a place where they actually produced the horsepower claimed but it wasn't the actual peak horsepower. Get over it!

[James L Miller]

The story I've read on the 1964 Race Hemi was that the dyno at Chrysler was rated for 400HP and they ran it to 425HP and cut it off there before it hit the power peak.

[CBS]

that dyno is on display at the Chrysler museum.....I bet it was really accurate....it looks like something from the wizard of Oz....lol

[Bob Pagano]

Forget about the HP in the 60s the cars ran eachother in SS or FX not Stock Elim.

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

Forget about the HP in the 60s the cars ran eachother in SS or FX not Stock Elim.

Didn't Ben Wenzel win stock at the 67 Nationals with a 290 hp z-28 and Bobby Warren win the World Championship with a 255 hp 350 in a 69 Nova about 1970? I remember several 427 Galaxies and 427 Impalas running in stock back in the days. Even an occasional 427 Powered Station Wagon were all running in STOCK!

[Bob Pagano]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

Didn't Ben Wenzel win stock at the 67 Nationals with a 290 hp z-28 and Bobby Warren win the World Championship with a 255 hp 350 in a 69 Nova about 1970? I remember several 427 Galaxies and 427 Impalas running in stock back in the days. Even an occasional 427 Powered Station Wagon were all running in STOCK!

Yea but you MISSED the point, the factory cars of the early 60s that were being mentioned at 425 hp was bogus but they did not run Stock, the weight breaks did not change till 64 and the lite weight cars still could NOT run Stock.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

Forget about the HP in the 60s the cars ran each other in SS or FX not Stock Elim.

Just pointing out that the OEM's are doing the same thing that they have always done. You can't blame the racers for running them. It is the NHRA that needs to decide what to do with them.

There lies the $14,000,000.00 question!

(And that is before one wrench is turned!)

[Qwikpony]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Do you really think that the OEM's submitted "HONEST" HP numbers in the "Good Old Days"?

They weren't 200-300 HP off though and that is the big difference. Let's face it, that would be like comparing a bogus DZ-302 Hp rating to a bogus '23 T-bucket HP rating. It is a 40 year technolgy difference. I'm all for the HP wars, but not at the expense of the older cars. A separate class is the answer and let them turn 'em loose on each other.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Qwikpony

They weren't 200-300 HP off though and that is the big difference. Let's face it, that would be like comparing a bogus DZ-302 Hp rating to a bogus '23 T-bucket HP rating. It is a 40 year technolgy difference. I'm all for the HP wars, but not at the expense of the older cars. A separate class is the answer and let them turn 'em loose on each other.

You do realize that ALL of the HP ratings are bogus, right? I can't think of one combination in the books that is actually rated at the HP that it is making.