Going "deep" into the program

7423 · 09-29-2010, 03:12 PM

Come on Ron, you are not too old to remember the days of Super X at AV Raceway, (guess that was a while ago). 12.90, 4 tenths pro light, everyone went deep. My Fairlane would go 12.70-.75 shallow on a full tree and 12.90-.95 deep. Your car has a ton front end travel, not a good thing for RT on a pro light. As stated, the slower you go, the more you lose. Your 10 second Camaro should be around .10 slower.

Andys dad · 09-29-2010, 09:15 PM

Thanks for the info Mike

And thanks Charlie for bring up how long ago that was - LOL :-)

And no I don't remember - hell I have trouble with remebering yesteday sometimes - LOL :-)

I guess either - not too many have tried this or it is considered secret information amongst this forums members

My car was off from .05 to .12 depending on how deep I went

My lights were from .020 to .125

And the 60 fts - forget about it - they were off from .09 to .2

Next time tiny front tires and no deep staging

Michael Beard · 09-29-2010, 10:33 PM

It's not secret info, just hasn't been relevant to Stock racing for a number of years (unfortunately) due to the sanctioning bodies making it illegal.

Tiny tires are going to 1) change your suspension geometry and 2) not give you nearly as much R/T as you might think. Even going from 28" to 23" might only get you .040 if you're lucky. (and if you don't already have them laying around, then you also have the expense of tires!) My recommendation would be to pre-stage (or *just* shy of it), set your launch rpm, then ease off the brake just slightly to slowly roll from pre-stage all the way to deep. That way you don't even have to look back at the tach. Be deliberate, and you absolutely CAN do this consistently! I think you were just rushing yourself too much, resulting in the erratic staging position and subsequent R/T and ET variances.

When permitted in E.T. bracket racing, I deep stage the Turismo using the above method, and it's been flawless. That's how all of the deep stagers were doing it at the Jim Harrington Footbrake Classic last weekend, too. If you can shallow stage consistently, you can deep stage consistently. Give it, and yourself, a chance! You'll be fine. Let me know how you make out!

et7333 · 09-29-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 7423

Come on Ron, you are not too old to remember the days of Super X at AV Raceway, (guess that was a while ago). 12.90, 4 tenths pro light, everyone went deep. My Fairlane would go 12.70-.75 shallow on a full tree and 12.90-.95 deep. Your car has a ton front end travel, not a good thing for RT on a pro light. As stated, the slower you go, the more you lose. Your 10 second Camaro should be around .10 slower.

I remember those Super X days Charlie.

Notch1320 · 09-30-2010, 04:09 PM

Andys Dad...... Give WCHRA Open Comp class a try next season. I will be out there with my stocker as well.

09-29-2010, 03:12 PM	#1
7423 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 639 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Going "deep" into the program Come on Ron, you are not too old to remember the days of Super X at AV Raceway, (guess that was a while ago). 12.90, 4 tenths pro light, everyone went deep. My Fairlane would go 12.70-.75 shallow on a full tree and 12.90-.95 deep. Your car has a ton front end travel, not a good thing for RT on a pro light. As stated, the slower you go, the more you lose. Your 10 second Camaro should be around .10 slower.

09-29-2010, 09:15 PM	#2
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Going "deep" into the program Thanks for the info Mike And thanks Charlie for bring up how long ago that was - LOL :-) And no I don't remember - hell I have trouble with remebering yesteday sometimes - LOL :-) I guess either - not too many have tried this or it is considered secret information amongst this forums members My car was off from .05 to .12 depending on how deep I went My lights were from .020 to .125 And the 60 fts - forget about it - they were off from .09 to .2 Next time tiny front tires and no deep staging __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham Last edited by Andys dad; 09-30-2010 at 08:48 PM.

09-29-2010, 10:33 PM	#3
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Going "deep" into the program It's not secret info, just hasn't been relevant to Stock racing for a number of years (unfortunately) due to the sanctioning bodies making it illegal. Tiny tires are going to 1) change your suspension geometry and 2) not give you nearly as much R/T as you might think. Even going from 28" to 23" might only get you .040 if you're lucky. (and if you don't already have them laying around, then you also have the expense of tires!) My recommendation would be to pre-stage (or just shy of it), set your launch rpm, then ease off the brake just slightly to slowly roll from pre-stage all the way to deep. That way you don't even have to look back at the tach. Be deliberate, and you absolutely CAN do this consistently! I think you were just rushing yourself too much, resulting in the erratic staging position and subsequent R/T and ET variances. When permitted in E.T. bracket racing, I deep stage the Turismo using the above method, and it's been flawless. That's how all of the deep stagers were doing it at the Jim Harrington Footbrake Classic last weekend, too. If you can shallow stage consistently, you can deep stage consistently. Give it, and yourself, a chance! You'll be fine. Let me know how you make out! __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

09-30-2010, 04:09 PM	#5
Notch1320 Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Yuba City, CA Posts: 220 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Going "deep" into the program Andys Dad...... Give WCHRA Open Comp class a try next season. I will be out there with my stocker as well. __________________ Shawn Allsup K/S 718