Titanium Valves Allowed in S/S?

X-TECH MAN · 09-19-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by deuces wild

D4 has a very good one in Wesley Roberson. He know's exactly what he's looking at!!!!

But he no longer works National Events !

Ed Carpenter · 09-20-2010, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

But he no longer works National Events !

You know why that is right?

X-TECH MAN · 09-20-2010, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by deuces wild

You know why that is right?

Yep !

Bobby Fazio · 09-22-2010, 04:26 PM

There is an easy solution to this problem. Take the titanium valves and the Comp cars..excuse me.. I mean the Modified cars that run them, the hemi cars that wish to run them, as well as anyone else who so desires to run them, and put them in a new category called, yep you guessed it.. Modified eliminator! OR just send them up to Competition eliminator where they belong. Everyone's happy.. the engine builders, the racers who want to go fast and spend the extra money, valve manufacturers, etc..

By the way, I got my new National Dragster issue yesterday with the Indy sportsman results and, looking at the cover, for the life of me can't help but wonder how that "snuffaluffagus" hood scoop add-on is legal on that white Comp.. damnit I meant Modified.. car! Twice now, sorry I get confused!

Allen Sherman · 09-22-2010, 10:54 PM

While I really dont care either way if they are allowed or not i can tell all of you that putting a titanium valve in ANY of y'all engines will greatly extend the life cycle of the lifters, springs, rocker arms camshaft and cam bearings. If you look at the big picture of spending a little now or alot later the ti valves are cheaper to run in the long run than a stainless valve in pretty much all current SS engine combinations. And yes i do build the engines in Steve Kents SS/AH car and would have a set in there as soon as they are legalized but not so much for the performance gain as much as for the extension of the valvetrain life. I dont have the luxury of having Jesel or T&D in my pocket like CW and Barton do and i envy those guys for having that luxury so i'll take anything we can get to help out our valvetrain. I do agree that it is killing the "purity" of SS but lets be real, i was still a dirty thought in my dads mind when SS was still "pure"...lol...the class is gonna keep evolving and it's just how it's always been. The bad thing is that there are already Ti valves in alot of SS motors illegally, it's a shame but true, unfortunately tech has a hard time when there are 25+ cars in the barn to police who's sneaking the right valves into the heads before they go to the checking table. It's been that way with lots of things over the years, people are gonna stretch the rules to win and that's never gonna change. So as much as i see alot of y'all points on banning them it's only gonna let the guys that are already sneaking them through to keep whatever performance advantage they gain and the rest of us are gonna keep replacing the lifters, springs, cams, rockers and cam bearings at a more rapid rate than them. Also lets be real, a "good" stainless valve is only about 45-50% cheaper than a Ti valve and when we're talking about SS motors that on the "cheap" side are costing $20 grand whats another $800? I know all about being on a budget but when you look at a savings over time for that extra initial investment its kind of a no brainer. I think alot of times some of us are so resistant to any change that we don't look at the big picture of how it could have positive financial rewards long term. OK i'll get off the soapbox now...

Bernie Cunningham · 09-22-2010, 11:32 PM

Allen, very well put together post and every thing you say is OK.

However, that's exactually the mind set that put Stock and S/stock into the ****ed-up deal we have now !!! Too many big buck guys spending more than Joe Blow, they need to go to Comp where they can spend their collective asses off.

I'm a spending guy lately to go fast but I gotta think I'm done for a while, please give me a break !!! I have no problems with technology, in fact I love it, but it all filters down.

How about ya take something AWAY from ya motor to make it last longer ?????????????????

I couldn't help notice that most of the "Hemi" guys didn't want to run the eliminator at Indy, (a lot didn't even qualifiy) is this the problem ?????

Allen Sherman · 09-22-2010, 11:44 PM

Bernie I'd be all for taking some things AWAY that would even the playing field believe me! I definitely don't enjoy how some of us can't seem to be able to buy parts that others have even when the rule book says parts must be "generally available"...lol...i just think it's gonna happen whether we like it or not and i hope bucks down guys can use these to there advantage and extend valvetrain life for themselves...i'll see u out in vegas and by then we'll be able to really get riled up about this since i'm sure the rule will be either official or deleted by then...later buddy

09-22-2010, 04:26 PM	#4
Bobby Fazio VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ Posts: 1,468 Likes: 1,448 Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts	Re: Titanium Valves Allowed in S/S? There is an easy solution to this problem. Take the titanium valves and the Comp cars..excuse me.. I mean the Modified cars that run them, the hemi cars that wish to run them, as well as anyone else who so desires to run them, and put them in a new category called, yep you guessed it.. Modified eliminator! OR just send them up to Competition eliminator where they belong. Everyone's happy.. the engine builders, the racers who want to go fast and spend the extra money, valve manufacturers, etc.. By the way, I got my new National Dragster issue yesterday with the Indy sportsman results and, looking at the cover, for the life of me can't help but wonder how that "snuffaluffagus" hood scoop add-on is legal on that white Comp.. damnit I meant Modified.. car! Twice now, sorry I get confused! __________________ '65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA DriverInterviews.com \| App.DragInsights.com

09-22-2010, 10:54 PM	#5
Allen Sherman Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 147 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Titanium Valves Allowed in S/S? While I really dont care either way if they are allowed or not i can tell all of you that putting a titanium valve in ANY of y'all engines will greatly extend the life cycle of the lifters, springs, rocker arms camshaft and cam bearings. If you look at the big picture of spending a little now or alot later the ti valves are cheaper to run in the long run than a stainless valve in pretty much all current SS engine combinations. And yes i do build the engines in Steve Kents SS/AH car and would have a set in there as soon as they are legalized but not so much for the performance gain as much as for the extension of the valvetrain life. I dont have the luxury of having Jesel or T&D in my pocket like CW and Barton do and i envy those guys for having that luxury so i'll take anything we can get to help out our valvetrain. I do agree that it is killing the "purity" of SS but lets be real, i was still a dirty thought in my dads mind when SS was still "pure"...lol...the class is gonna keep evolving and it's just how it's always been. The bad thing is that there are already Ti valves in alot of SS motors illegally, it's a shame but true, unfortunately tech has a hard time when there are 25+ cars in the barn to police who's sneaking the right valves into the heads before they go to the checking table. It's been that way with lots of things over the years, people are gonna stretch the rules to win and that's never gonna change. So as much as i see alot of y'all points on banning them it's only gonna let the guys that are already sneaking them through to keep whatever performance advantage they gain and the rest of us are gonna keep replacing the lifters, springs, cams, rockers and cam bearings at a more rapid rate than them. Also lets be real, a "good" stainless valve is only about 45-50% cheaper than a Ti valve and when we're talking about SS motors that on the "cheap" side are costing $20 grand whats another $800? I know all about being on a budget but when you look at a savings over time for that extra initial investment its kind of a no brainer. I think alot of times some of us are so resistant to any change that we don't look at the big picture of how it could have positive financial rewards long term. OK i'll get off the soapbox now...

09-22-2010, 11:32 PM	#6
Bernie Cunningham Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 560 Likes: 45 Liked 52 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Titanium Valves Allowed in S/S? Allen, very well put together post and every thing you say is OK. However, that's exactually the mind set that put Stock and S/stock into the ***ed-up deal we have now !!! Too many big buck guys spending more than Joe Blow, they need to go to Comp where they can spend their collective asses off. I'm a spending guy lately to go fast but I gotta think I'm done for a while, please give me a break !!! I have no problems with technology, in fact I love it, but it all filters down. How about ya take something AWAY from ya motor to make it last longer ????????????????? I couldn't help notice that most of the "Hemi" guys didn't want to run the eliminator at Indy, (a lot didn't even qualifiy) is this the problem ????? __________________ Bernie Cunningham 7053 STK Last edited by Bernie Cunningham; 09-22-2010 at 11:46 PM.*

09-22-2010, 11:44 PM	#7
Allen Sherman Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 147 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Titanium Valves Allowed in S/S? Bernie I'd be all for taking some things AWAY that would even the playing field believe me! I definitely don't enjoy how some of us can't seem to be able to buy parts that others have even when the rule book says parts must be "generally available"...lol...i just think it's gonna happen whether we like it or not and i hope bucks down guys can use these to there advantage and extend valvetrain life for themselves...i'll see u out in vegas and by then we'll be able to really get riled up about this since i'm sure the rule will be either official or deleted by then...later buddy