Dodge Dakota in S/S??

Chris DeGidio · 09-17-2010, 06:17 PM

Unless I'm reading the class specs wrong,I don't see a factor to run the Dakota in super stock.I do see a note that says "stock only not eligible for super stock"...what gives? I know I've seen the mid size trucks in S/S.

I was looking at the 5.9 Drag pak combo and then was looking for a non GT class and couldn't find it

If this needs to move to the tech section,no problem.

Mike Carr · 09-17-2010, 06:37 PM

I imagine it would run GT/TA or GT/TB. You would take the shipping weight of the year truck in question, divided by the HP rating of the engine in question, to determine Classification.

(edit) 1995 Dakota, 112" wheelbase, shipping weight 2,835 pounds. 2009 5.9 Dodge engine rated 275 HP. 2,835 divided by 275 = 10.30, making it a GT/TA.

Chris DeGidio · 09-17-2010, 06:54 PM

GT class but no regular S/S class??

Mike Carr · 09-17-2010, 06:58 PM

Correct. GT Truck, Modified Truck, or Stock only.

Philip Saran · 09-17-2010, 08:16 PM

Chris,

The Dodge Dakota that Shane Studley has listed for
sale here on classracer in the race car section is run
in GT with a 360 motor.

magnumv8 · 09-17-2010, 09:32 PM

With the drag pak engines being fuel injected, GT Truck is the only class they fit....Modified Truck requires a carb....

Mike...can you use the shipping weight for a 4 cylinder truck even if you are installing a V8 in it ?.....a V8 Dakota is about 200 lbs. heavier.....

D L Rambo......

Mike Carr · 09-18-2010, 12:06 AM

D.L., there was a rule at one time about using "the heaviest V8 gasoline engine", or something to that effect. I would guess that means using the shipping weight of a particular vehicle, using the shipping weight of the heaviest gasoline engine available in that particular body style (I can;t find my rulebook to verify).

(edit) From the 2008 NHRA Rulebook, for SS/GT (car):

"Shipping weight of vehicle can may be adjusted a maximum of 250 pounds to fit car in class, provided shipping weight does not drop below 2,500 pounds. Car can move up or down in classes. If weight is added, must be properly attached; see General Regulations 4:2. Shipping weight will be determined by using the power to weight factor of the vehicle with the heaviest gasoline engine and appropriate transmission, and multiplying the factor times the horsepower or performance rating. The proper class weight will then be determined by dividing this figure by the horsepower or performance rating of the engine used. Class is determined without driver weight. Once Classification weight is calculated, 170 pounds will be added for driver to arrive at minimum weight".

For GT truck, it states the following in the '08 Rulebook:
"Shipping weight of vehicle can may be adjusted a maximum of 250 pounds to fit car in class, provided shipping weight does not drop below 2,500 pounds. Car can move up or down in classes. If weight is added, must be properly attached; see General Regulations 4:2. Shipping weight will be determined using the power to weight factor of the 1990-2007 vehicle and multiplying
the factor times the horsepower or performance rating of the engine used. Class is determined without driver weight. Once Classification weight is calculated, 170 pounds will be added for driver to arrive at minimum weight".

Rory McNeil · 09-18-2010, 01:08 AM

At Sonoma I was pitted next to John Winslow Jr`s Dakota, I believe it runs in GT/TA, not sure what engine he uses. I think this is the same truck that Steve Wann used to race.

09-17-2010, 06:17 PM	#1
Chris DeGidio Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 364 Likes: 8 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Dodge Dakota in S/S?? Unless I'm reading the class specs wrong,I don't see a factor to run the Dakota in super stock.I do see a note that says "stock only not eligible for super stock"...what gives? I know I've seen the mid size trucks in S/S. I was looking at the 5.9 Drag pak combo and then was looking for a non GT class and couldn't find it If this needs to move to the tech section,no problem. __________________ Nautilus Racing Last edited by Chris DeGidio; 09-17-2010 at 06:56 PM.

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Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Dodge Dakota in S/S?? I imagine it would run GT/TA or GT/TB. You would take the shipping weight of the year truck in question, divided by the HP rating of the engine in question, to determine Classification. (edit) 1995 Dakota, 112" wheelbase, shipping weight 2,835 pounds. 2009 5.9 Dodge engine rated 275 HP. 2,835 divided by 275 = 10.30, making it a GT/TA. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912 Last edited by Mike Carr; 09-17-2010 at 06:43 PM.

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Chris DeGidio Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 364 Likes: 8 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Dodge Dakota in S/S?? GT class but no regular S/S class?? __________________ Nautilus Racing

09-17-2010, 06:58 PM	#4
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Dodge Dakota in S/S?? Correct. GT Truck, Modified Truck, or Stock only. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

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Philip Saran Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Parker, CO. Posts: 728 Likes: 165 Liked 14 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Dodge Dakota in S/S?? Chris, The Dodge Dakota that Shane Studley has listed for sale here on classracer in the race car section is run in GT with a 360 motor. __________________ Phil Saran Parker, Colorado

09-17-2010, 09:32 PM	#6
magnumv8 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coraopolis, Pa. Posts: 172 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dodge Dakota in S/S?? With the drag pak engines being fuel injected, GT Truck is the only class they fit....Modified Truck requires a carb.... Mike...can you use the shipping weight for a 4 cylinder truck even if you are installing a V8 in it ?.....a V8 Dakota is about 200 lbs. heavier..... D L Rambo......

09-18-2010, 12:06 AM	#7
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Dodge Dakota in S/S?? D.L., there was a rule at one time about using "the heaviest V8 gasoline engine", or something to that effect. I would guess that means using the shipping weight of a particular vehicle, using the shipping weight of the heaviest gasoline engine available in that particular body style (I can;t find my rulebook to verify). (edit) From the 2008 NHRA Rulebook, for SS/GT (car): "Shipping weight of vehicle can may be adjusted a maximum of 250 pounds to fit car in class, provided shipping weight does not drop below 2,500 pounds. Car can move up or down in classes. If weight is added, must be properly attached; see General Regulations 4:2. Shipping weight will be determined by using the power to weight factor of the vehicle with the heaviest gasoline engine and appropriate transmission, and multiplying the factor times the horsepower or performance rating. The proper class weight will then be determined by dividing this figure by the horsepower or performance rating of the engine used. Class is determined without driver weight. Once Classification weight is calculated, 170 pounds will be added for driver to arrive at minimum weight". For GT truck, it states the following in the '08 Rulebook: "Shipping weight of vehicle can may be adjusted a maximum of 250 pounds to fit car in class, provided shipping weight does not drop below 2,500 pounds. Car can move up or down in classes. If weight is added, must be properly attached; see General Regulations 4:2. Shipping weight will be determined using the power to weight factor of the 1990-2007 vehicle and multiplying the factor times the horsepower or performance rating of the engine used. Class is determined without driver weight. Once Classification weight is calculated, 170 pounds will be added for driver to arrive at minimum weight". __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912 Last edited by Mike Carr; 09-18-2010 at 12:17 AM.

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Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 316 Liked 1,103 Times in 301 Posts	Re: Dodge Dakota in S/S?? At Sonoma I was pitted next to John Winslow Jr`s Dakota, I believe it runs in GT/TA, not sure what engine he uses. I think this is the same truck that Steve Wann used to race. __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang