top 3 things i miss the most about stock

[Evan Smith]

Kenny,

You are dead on. There are plenty of affordable combos. The 5.0 Mustang is just one, and it would be a fun 12-second, or high 11-second ride, which is cool. I bet you could do it for under $10,000 and run pretty far under. And there are no DPs and CJs to contend with. You could also build a '80s Malibu with a 305, parts are everywhere.

Maybe I didn't race 40 years ago in the golden era, but I'm having plenty of fun and I really enjoy the friends I have made racing and the car I built, which is from my era, in fact I drove it to college.

Sure there are issues, there always were, and always will be. Life and racing isn't perfect. You can be a part of the problem, or part of the solution. It seems there are a lot of old-timers on here, and with all due respect, maybe they are just burned out and need an excuse to quit. I get it, NHRA tech isn't perfect, there are underfactored combos, the economy sucks, etc. But blaming NHRA for every single issue is lame.

Here's a fact, there are far more complaining people on the Internet than at the track. But some never get out to the track, they just sit at a computer and boo hoo about what they don't like, instead of finding something they do like, be it racing or otherwise. I'm not saying you shouldn't raise a stink from time to time, but some people just complain, complain, complain. If I was that unhappy with racing I would get out. I don't have time to be miserable over a hobby, life is too short.

Evan

[Frank Grossi]

Evan, One of the most common sense post this board has ever had.

[Ken Miele]

That's my point Jack, if your not going to pay a decent wage, that means they don't want to hire.

Jack, when are you and Terry going to figure out how to use a quote. I fixed the one that you quoted me on.

Its simple, do not remove these tag, [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]. They must be in front and after the quote. I had to reverse them or it would have looked like a quote. If you looking to quote just one sentence, put the first tag in your quotes before the sentence and the last tag after the sentence.

Also, do not modified the first tag, example [QUOTE=Ken Miele;211286]. After the equal sign in the tag is the code to quote the proper post.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Ken Miele

That's my point Jack, if your not going to pay a decent wage, that means they don't want to hire.

Jack, when are you and Terry going to figure out how to use a quote. I fixed the one that you quoted me on.

Its simple, do not remove these tag,

[QUOTE]. They must be in front and after the quote.

Also, do not modified the first tag, example

Originally Posted by Ken Miele

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Originally Posted by Ken Miele

After the equal sign in the tag is the code to quote the proper text.

Yes Teacher -- I promise never to screw up your quotes again ..........You'd do better with me if you told me you're going to beat my knuckles with a ruler like the Nuns did ---- opps , you won't get this unless you're Catholic ..........

And as for the NHRA paying better its never gonna happen - you have to love what you're doing - not the money you can make doing it ! ! !

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Kenny,

You are dead on. There are plenty of affordable combos. The 5.0 Mustang is just one, and it would be a fun 12-second, or high 11-second ride, which is cool. I bet you could do it for under $10,000 and run pretty far under. And there are no DPs and CJs to contend with. You could also build a '80s Malibu with a 305, parts are everywhere.

Maybe I didn't race 40 years ago in the golden era, but I'm having plenty of fun and I really enjoy the friends I have made racing and the car I built, which is from my era, in fact I drove it to college.

Sure there are issues, there always were, and always will be. Life and racing isn't perfect. You can be a part of the problem, or part of the solution. It seems there are a lot of old-timers on here, and with all due respect, maybe they are just burned out and need an excuse to quit. I get it, NHRA tech isn't perfect, there are underfactored combos, the economy sucks, etc. But blaming NHRA for every single issue is lame.

Here's a fact, there are far more complaining people on the Internet than at the track. But some never get out to the track, they just sit at a computer and boo hoo about what they don't like, instead of finding something they do like, be it racing or otherwise. I'm not saying you shouldn't raise a stink from time to time, but some people just complain, complain, complain. If I was that unhappy with racing I would get out. I don't have time to be miserable over a hobby, life is too short.

Evan

good points all around Evan, and one that most of us could learn from time to time. The "fun" is one of the reasons we've got the 92 camaro I/SA car now. Its almost as much fun as the vette, and a whole lot cheaper. Heck I've been testing it on pump gas even, lol. Sure, things have changed, and some things are worth taking a stand over, but if you're not having fun, you really should find something else to do

[Paul Ceasrine]

Anyone remember, when the cars classed in Stock had to driven to the track.
You had to have license plates on the car, and a legal registration.
Also, the exhaust sytems had to be retained.
Even the steel wheels had to be retained. You couldn't use after-market wheels that were lighter than the stock wheel.
Thats when Stock was Stock.

pc

[John Quinn]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Anyone remember, when the cars classed in Stock had to driven to the track.
You had to have license plates on the car, and a legal registration.
Also, the exhaust sytems had to be retained.
Even the steel wheels had to be retained. You couldn't use after-market wheels that were lighter than the stock wheel.
Thats when Stock was Stock.

pc

I remember those days well, all the guys who could afford a trailer towed to the track, unloaded the race car and drove it into the track. I remember at Amarillo they announced that they would allow the trailers into the pit area because the highway patrol said the trailers were blocking the roadway and would be towed if they were not moved. That was the first year of the current incarnation of stock eliminator.

It wasn't a disadvantage to use the steel wheels as the lighter aftermarket wheels didn't exist. You could disconnect the exhaust from the manifold but no headers.

For most of that first year you had to run street tires also, at the world finals they allowed slicks because they didn't like the idea of the low horsepower cars outrunning the high power cars due to traction issues and they didn't want a Pinto world champion.

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Kenny,

You are dead on. There are plenty of affordable combos. The 5.0 Mustang is just one, and it would be a fun 12-second, or high 11-second ride, which is cool. I bet you could do it for under $10,000 and run pretty far under. And there are no DPs and CJs to contend with. You could also build a '80s Malibu with a 305, parts are everywhere.

Maybe I didn't race 40 years ago in the golden era, but I'm having plenty of fun and I really enjoy the friends I have made racing and the car I built, which is from my era, in fact I drove it to college.

Sure there are issues, there always were, and always will be. Life and racing isn't perfect. You can be a part of the problem, or part of the solution. It seems there are a lot of old-timers on here, and with all due respect, maybe they are just burned out and need an excuse to quit. I get it, NHRA tech isn't perfect, there are underfactored combos, the economy sucks, etc. But blaming NHRA for every single issue is lame.

Here's a fact, there are far more complaining people on the Internet than at the track. But some never get out to the track, they just sit at a computer and boo hoo about what they don't like, instead of finding something they do like, be it racing or otherwise. I'm not saying you shouldn't raise a stink from time to time, but some people just complain, complain, complain. If I was that unhappy with racing I would get out. I don't have time to be miserable over a hobby, life is too short.

Evan

Evan - yaaa - nooo - BIG yaaa - and another BIG yaaa - WOW - good talk!!! Was down at the marina again today working on the NO TIME ll and just can't believe that racing might still be cheaper than boating, oh and the harbor master said anytime you need his assistance just hail!!!

[Jack McCarthy]

im not miserable because of my hobby evan, and i agree with you and others life has changed... and not for the better.

i simply posted what i missed the most about "stock eliminator"... what we run is no longer that class and i miss it.

as far as charley bob and a few others go maybe they are too young to realize what we had. i have raced what i could afford to race, not raced on someone else or my daddy's money i paid for every cent it cost, and i raised two kids etc... but that was one of the great things... it did not cost a lot, just a lot of work, trial and error, testing and truly researching your combo. > that ship has sailed it cost big bucks to play now, just look at my old wagon it might as well be a 1970's pro stocker.

i miss the integrity of the racers (im not going to discuss the integrity of NHRA greg hill has that post)...we had TEARDOWNS at EVERY race not just indy and going through the barn was critical to your reputation and the respect given to you by the other racers... and getting tossed (and ive been tossed) was embarrassing to you and your family. today its no big thing to get caught with cheating parts... just lobby to change the rules and act like you were picked on by NHRA with the old"everyone else does it" excuse.

i miss the decency of our class... maybe it is the internet's fault, maybe it is society's changing morals but what the hell happened ? every time i log onto this / other forums i see jealous, whining, accusing posts. rarely is credit given. bob shaw has an outstanding record kicking my *** in several combinations, yeah ive given him fits and won a couple of races and i could whine with the best of them, accuse him of cheating, protest him but hey i RESPECT him... that seems to be gone.

and charley bob if all three of these cause you to reflect on your attitude and comments it would be great because you fall into all three... you race on daddy's (and now someone elses) money, you embarrassed yourself and a man i respect (your dad) by getting tossed for cheating at indy, and you are first to attack and accuse with mouth and keyboard at every opportunity (like harrisons carb)...and believe it or not until i was writing this post i did not realize this, this was never intended to be a charley bob bash...sorry.

anyway im sure im gonna get a keyboard assination from you and others but hey... im entitled to my opinion, and i miss the old days... do i think they are coming back > hell no not a chance. charley bob is right it is 2010 now get off the lets go back to 1970 bandwagon.

thanks for all the replies, sorry if i disagree with some of you, and to those who agree you guys know where to find me ... in U/SA

captain jack

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

im not miserable because of my hobby evan, and i agree with you and others life has changed... and not for the better.

i simply posted what i missed the most about "stock eliminator"... what we run is no longer that class and i miss it.

as far as charley bob and a few others go maybe they are too young to realize what we had. i have raced what i could afford to race, not raced on someone else or my daddy's money i paid for every cent it cost, and i raised two kids etc... but that was one of the great things... it did not cost a lot, just a lot of work, trial and error, testing and truly researching your combo. > that ship has sailed it cost big bucks to play now, just look at my old wagon it might as well be a 1970's pro stocker.

i miss the integrity of the racers (im not going to discuss the integrity of NHRA greg hill has that post)...we had TEARDOWNS at EVERY race not just indy and going through the barn was critical to your reputation and the respect given to you by the other racers... and getting tossed (and ive been tossed) was embarrassing to you and your family. today its no big thing to get caught with cheating parts... just lobby to change the rules and act like you were picked on by NHRA with the old"everyone else does it" excuse.

i miss the decency of our class... maybe it is the internet's fault, maybe it is society's changing morals but what the hell happened ? every time i log onto this / other forums i see jealous, whining, accusing posts. rarely is credit given. bob shaw has an outstanding record kicking my *** in several combinations, yeah ive given him fits and won a couple of races and i could whine with the best of them, accuse him of cheating, protest him but hey i RESPECT him... that seems to be gone.

and charley bob if all three of these cause you to reflect on your attitude and comments it would be great because you fall into all three... you race on daddy's (and now someone elses) money, you embarrassed yourself and a man i respect (your dad) by getting tossed for cheating at indy, and you are first to attack and accuse with mouth and keyboard at every opportunity (like harrisons carb)...and believe it or not until i was writing this post i did not realize this, this was never intended to be a charley bob bash...sorry.

anyway im sure im gonna get a keyboard assination from you and others but hey... im entitled to my opinion, and i miss the old days... do i think they are coming back > hell no not a chance. charley bob is right it is 2010 now get off the lets go back to 1970 bandwagon.

thanks for all the replies, sorry if i disagree with some of you, and to those who agree you guys know where to find me ... in U/SA

captain jack

AMEN to this post ! Thank you Jack.