Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes

[Peter Ash]

Will not a great light (0.00?)and dial still beat a faster car or force a breakout?
After all this is still bracket racing, is it not?

Is it only people that have been protecting/hiding their performance potential that are complaining here. Maybe time to come out of the closet, eh?


Peter Ash

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Yes, I am a member of a group of people who are attempting to reverse some of nhra's more egregious actions. Like nhra taking away our membership rights. Sitting on our hands is not an option for us. We don't buy this mighty nhra nonsense.

There are many ways to resolve problems here in the good old US of A. Like seeking assistance from government agencies that have jurisdiciton over these organizations. There is no need to file law suits, but we would win if we decided to go that route. nhra does have a pretty bad record when it comes to major law suits. The Pro Stock Truck racers scared nhra so badly that it refused to profide any court ordered documentation about itself and opted to make a large payment to the PST racers instead. The spanking by the PST racers proved that nhra has many problems when it comes to litigation. And believe me it was a real down home spanking!

It's nice to know that your brand loyalty is reserved for AMX. Many people thought you had been fooled into believing that nhra was really trying to help the members.

Bruce,
Quit putting words into my statements. I did not say my brand loyalty was to the AMC or AMX. I took your statement and put a "LOL" behind it and stated having an AMX carried no advantages.
And yes, for the record, I do believe NHRA will do what's right to preserve the class (and help the members) as I see no value in chasing off 95% of the members (I'm using 95% as an arbitrary figure for discussion as I have no way of knowing how many would leave the sport) and I do not believe NHRA has a viable future as a Pro only venue.
So if some believe I've been fooled, that's their opinion and they are entitled to it.

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

Will not a great light (0.00?)and dial still beat a faster car or force a breakout?
After all this is still bracket racing, is it not?

Is it only people that have been protecting/hiding their performance potential that are complaining here. Maybe time to come out of the closet, eh?


Peter Ash

Isn't that what this thread was about? The ability to "dial" against the factory experimental cars as opposed to be required to run them heads-up.

Take the fastest LT1 Firebird (pick a year), LS1 Camaro, early model Mustang (Conte), or any other C/SA that meets that same rules that Pendarvis is utilizing and tell me that the prior mentioned cars are only a good light away from a win.

Don

[Peter Ash]

Originally Posted by Dgal

Isn't that what this thread was about? The ability to "dial" against the factory experimental cars as opposed to be required to run them heads-up.

Take the fastest LT1 Firebird (pick a year), LS1 Camaro, early model Mustang (Conte), or any other C/SA that meets that same rules that Pendarvis is utilizing and tell me that the prior mentioned cars are only a good light away from a win.

Don

Ok, you are told. Force a breakout?

Peter

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

I will say this, it's apparent to me NHRA Tech is not happy with the below index runs by the DP/CJ cars at Indy and the issue is under heated discussion. The AHFS has their hands tied for blanket HP corrections the way some would like to see them adjusted and they must follow the AHFS policy (which never forecast runs so far under the index). And like it or not, NHRA has to look at all parties interests before mandating new policy. I firmly believe NHRA is on our side.

Jeff,

I think you and Bruce are talking about the same problem from two separate angles with separate bits of information. It seems that you both agree with the core of problem, but it has gotten to the point of "eating our own."

I am not trying to cherry pick your post, but this part of your post is what is most troubling to me. This is not a shot at you, but a shot at the NHRA powers that be.

Why are the discussions heated at all? They know what they need to do to bring fairness back to the class with these cars (FX). It is logical, easy, has a lot of sizzle, and makes perfect sense. All those things being considered, the only reason as to why it would be "heated" is that someone has made some big time promises that the move to fairness would cause them to break those promises.

What exactly are those promises I wonder?

Don

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

Ok, you are told. Force a breakout?

Peter

Peter,

I know I am dense, but you are not making any sense to me. You cannot breakout in a heads up race. Pendarvis is running a Drag Pak in C/SA and has Conte covered by at least a second if he is running at weight rather than 300 lbs heavy.

Don

[Peter Ash]

Originally Posted by Dgal

Peter,

I know I am dense, but you are not making any sense to me. You cannot breakout in a heads up race. Pendarvis is running a Drag Pak in C/SA and has Conte covered by at least a second if he is running at weight rather than 300 lbs heavy.

Don

Sorry, I must have missed the part where all sporstman races are heads up, and the presumtion "if he is running at weight"!

Peter

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

Bruce,
Quit putting words into my statements. I did not say my brand loyalty was to the AMC or AMX. I took your statement and put a "LOL" behind it and stated having an AMX carried no advantages.
And yes, for the record, I do believe NHRA will do what's right to preserve the class (and help the members) as I see no value in chasing off 95% of the members (I'm using 95% as an arbitrary figure for discussion as I have no way of knowing how many would leave the sport) and I do not believe NHRA has a viable future as a Pro only venue.
So if some believe I've been fooled, that's their opinion and they are entitled to it.

Jeff,
Your words:

And Brand loyalty? LOL Yes I like the AMX but with only a handful in action it sure wouldn't make much sense to think there is an advantage to having one!

Coupling this statement and my knowledge that you are a long time AMX racer lead me to believe that your brand loyalty was with AMX. Seems reasonable despite your protestations. Our interpretations have never been the same over the 12 years that we have been butting heads. And I don't expect that to change.

I'm glad you are satisified with nhra. It makes perfect sense.

[Larry Hill]

Mr Ash this is Class racing!! Shoe polish and driving skill will not overcome a 100 hp. disadvantage at the rear wheels in a heads up race. I have raced all of the combinations of the cars that fit A/SA in the past year.

The outcome was this: Lost to Johns 1st round at BG and he was at B/SA weight. Lost to Warford 1st round of class at Indy with him easing off the throttle. Lost to Wolfe 1st round of eliminations at Norwalk Nationals. Lost in the fourth round in Seattle to Kevin Cour. He was only running 4 mph faster at the 1/8 mile and ran a slower mph.at the finish line.
I am hoping that Sean Cour reads this and will give me some direction on how to make my car competitive with the new CJ/DP cars in a heads up race.

This old dog is always begging for new tricks!!

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Peter Ash

Sorry, I must have missed the part where all sporstman races are heads up, and the presumtion "if he is running at weight"!

Peter

You are just being obstinate. Nowhere was it posted that all sportsman races are heads up. I was very specific about running Pendarvis' Drag Pak against the other cars in C/SA. That is the class he is running the car and it has been well posted that he was 300 lbs heavy when he ran the 9.79.

The entire thread is about heads up situations that shouldn't be. These cars are running against other cars in heads up and should be running against each other like they eventually did with the fuel injected cars until the horsepower ratings got corrected.

Don