Drag Pak/Cobra Jet FX classes

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Dgal

Novel idea, but they didn't build that many and all of them are spoken for. There are a couple that are available at extremely high prices on the Drag Paks and those aren't done.

There are more that are affected by this that would love that choice that have never posted on Class Racer. There are not enough cars available for the ones that have posted in this thread.

There is nothing that says you have to build an original Drag Pak or CJ. Doug Duell's car was built before the Drag Pak cars were built and Ford had a Body in White Program in 2010 where you could buy a body and the trim pieces for about 10k. There were no limits to the number of body in whites built or clones that I know of.

[Charley Downing]

ED The new Super CJ motor would be well over 4000 pounds in GT/AA. I think GT/AA is safe (this week).

Sorry Chad for the spelling mistake.

I agree some of these new HP’s are way out of line and something needs to be done. But that is NHRA problem not Ford and Chrysler. You can’t blame racers for following NHRA rules.

Dgal Rules change with the times. We all don’t run stock cams anymore do we?

Sorry I can’t spend anymore time with you clown's tonight I must get back to work on my new CJ.



Chuck D just following the rules set by NHRA

[Dgal]

Charley,

I realize rules change with the times and we must adapt to the best of our abilities. That doesn't mean that this situation was created by a rule change. It is more like the NHRA is not enforcing their own rules fairly.

I have seen where some are laying the blame somewhat on the people like yourself in taking advantage of the misapplication of the rules or no application in this case. I have not blamed you, Jeff Teuton, or any of the others. I blame the NHRA for being so shortsighted and blind to the implications of their decision. Especially when there were similar situations in the past that took too long to rectify. Read this as the LT1s and the creation of the FI classes.

They have a map as to how to correct it. There is no reason to wait 3 years or even 3 months to fix it. The obvious fix is the Factory Experimental designation for these cars and for the Camaros if GM ever intends to follow the same path.

The only compelling reason not to do it or to defend their current classification is if racers running these cars feel the need for such an unfair advantage to make rounds. What is sportsman about that?

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

There is nothing that says you have to build an original Drag Pak or CJ. Doug Duell's car was built before the Drag Pak cars were built and Ford had a Body in White Program in 2010 where you could buy a body and the trim pieces for about 10k. There were no limits to the number of body in whites built or clones that I know of.

You may be right about the availability of the pieces. I wasn't aware that Doug Duell's car was a pieced together car. Either way, his is the only one I am aware of and there doesn't seem to be any others out there. There must be a reason why people aren't following that path.

I know the reason I am not and it has to do with money. I had posted earlier that the price of the car is not the only expense. The corresponding spare parts and other items that go along with that type of change can be about as much.

Not all of us have unlimited budgets and not all of us can afford new parts. Most of my stuff is either used or discarded pieces that I have had to scrape together and resurrect with a lot of sweat equity. Granted, I enjoy that and take a great deal of satisfaction in making something work that someone else gave up on.

Situations like this one is taking a lot of wind out of my sails.

[CycloneFE]

Has anyone thought to put one of the new 5.4 supercharged CJ's in, say an old CJ such as a 69 Mustang? Do the rules allow that type of combo?

How about one of the "new hemi's" in a Savoy?

Just out there....

Steve

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

Bruce Noland said "Also I don't beleive this promo stuff about this being a great deal for Stock and Super Stock. This is just a short term cash and carry deal." Yea, the cj/drag pak cars probably won't be around for very long just like the 68 1/2 cj's and 68 hemi Darts and Barracudas are now. Gee, its been such a long time since we saw a Hemi Challange with just 68 Darts and Barracudas LOL. Why don't you guys build your own CJ or Drag Pak and show us how fast they really are. If you say you don't have enough money to do that then you probably couldn't run with the same people that have the CJ's and Drag Pak's if they built a car just like yours. Here's an idea: take your old muscle car, turn it back to a street car, sell it , take the wheels and tires and use them on your new CJ or Drag pak.

Some news for you. Your new cars haven't been around 40 years yet. You can crow in 2050 not 2010. Some more news for you. No anonymous, non Stock Eliminator racing agitator is going to tell me what to do with my money or cars.

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Some news for you. Your new cars haven't been around 40 years yet. You can crow in 2050 not 2010. Some more news for you. No anonymous, non Stock Eliminator racing agitator is going to tell me what to do with my money or cars. You need to grow a set and use your real name like most of the folks on these threads. And while you're at it tell us where and what you race. Maybe we can learn something from you after all.

First of all my first initial is with my last name in case you hadn't figured it out so I did use my real name. Second, I have been involved with a stock eliminator car the last two years even though I used to race in Super Stock. Third You can spend your money any way you wish but you asked for ideas and I furnished one.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

Bruce,
If you would stop cutting / pasting and leaving the original statement behind on the floor, you might understand. Here's what I said in reference to "negotiating"

"The OEM's sent their "recommendations" on DP/CJ HP levels. NHRA told them to "think some more". So yes, there was some negotiations albeit as we know now, not enough. "


A) OEM sent HP to NHRA.
B) NHRA did not accept HP.
C) OEM revised HP.
D) NHRA accepted HP.
E) HP in books.

I think the "big picture" is NHRA will straighten this out and not through the long & arduous method of using the AHFS exclusively. I see no gain for NHRA to specifically alienating and forcing 95% of the S/SS class into quiting.
Did NHRA get suckered in? Maybe. But there is no denying this move brought attention and new blood into the sport. Remember, no press is bad press.
Not everything is a conspiracy...

Jeff,
I'm using the quotes the same as you are. You have mentioned negotiating many times now and I'm trying my best to point out to you that Graham Light and his staff said they accepted the numbers that Ford gave them. There were no negotiations according to them. Sure some folks had to communicate at some level to get the cars in the sheets but the power figures were produced by Ford. nhra didn't get suckered. They claim in their letters they knew exactly what was going on from the beginning. Most of us don't see a conspiracy - we see collusion.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

First of all my first initial is with my last name in case you hadn't figured it out so I did use my real name. Second, I have been involved with a stock eliminator car the last two years even though I used to race in Super Stock. Third You can spend your money any way you wish but you asked for ideas and I furnished one.

Ok d. wydendorf, thats good - you have been "involved with" a Stock Eliminator car. Can we guess that you are "involved with" a new Stocker?

Ideas? When did I ask for ideas on this thread?

[dwydendorf]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Ok d. wydendorf, thats good - you have been "involved with" a Stock Eliminator car. Can we guess that you are "involved with" a new Stocker?

Ideas? When did I ask for ideas on this thread?

OK,It was on page 5 of the thread "NHRA are you really that blind or just stupid". After a while all these threads start to look the same. My biggest complaint is that the AHFS is not working and that is the problem. If the trigger was set lower (Like maybe .8 instead of 1.0 under) and the review took place more often or at 1 second under you automatically move up a class things would even out faster. I know there will always be someone who eludes the system but the big egos will iron things out quicker. The AHFS needs to react quicker with more gusto.