NHRA: are you really that blind or just stupid?

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by aspen7709

Let me get this straight..... If I read this right.... My combo:1976 dodge aspen 360
factory rated @ 160 hp NHRA factored 284 hp. Keep in mind: dished 8.0 to 1 pistons ,.423 lift hydraulic flat tappet cam, iron boat anchor heads with 1.88 1.60 valves ,60lb cast iron intake with a plastic carburetor and having to weigh 3578lbs is supposed to be the same as a 5.9 drag pack: 11.4 comp,.490 roller cam, 2.02 valves ROLLER ROCKERS! magnum heads (which are killers right out of the box), aluminum high rise intake and port injection.

BOTH RATED @ 284 HP!!!!!!!If you look @ mopar performance catalog the engine in the drag pack combo is rated at 390 hp @ 5300 rpm.

how on earth is this fair or even competitivly close?

Kenny Newsome 7709 h/sa what to do now?

Kenny - By no means is your combo equal - but just for a second lets look at this from a different angle - your 360cid / 284 hp was once 160 hp -- was that fair ? Over the years it grew 124 hp -- and not overnight i'm sure -- let the system work awhile like it did on your combo ...........

PS-If you feel H/SA is no fun you 'otta try E/SA - now there is a challenge ( no pun intended) .Trust me I feel your pain ..........

[Bruce Noland]

Jack,
All combinations were underfactored in those days and they all had their horsepower increased at about the same rate. Do you think this man should wait 10 years for these new combinations to be fairly factored? And why should he have to wait? Everyone agrees these combinations are not factored correctly.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Jack,
All combinations were underfactored in those days and they all had their horsepower increased at about the same rate. Do you think this man should wait 10 years for these new combinations to be fairly factored? And why should he have to wait? Everyone agrees these combinations are not factored correctly.

Its the difference between a "Net" rating and a "Gross" rating. The 360 your are refering to never was classed and ran at the original factory HP as many other later combos. They have all been "Enhanced" by NHRA.

[Bruce Noland]

I was not referencing any particular combination or adjustment formula. But I think we agree.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Jack,
All combinations were underfactored in those days and they all had their horsepower increased at about the same rate. Do you think this man should wait 10 years for these new combinations to be fairly factored? And why should he have to wait? Everyone agrees these combinations are not factored correctly.

Bruce -How long did it take to get 124hp put on his combo ? It wasn't done overnight as you are suggesting it to be done today on this DragPak .....the combo we're talking about has got HP twice recently and with some good weather National events coming up will likely get more.......And yes , I really feel the FX classes are on the horizon ...........but as you say - what do I know - or who ? ?

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Bruce -How long did it take to get 124hp put on his combo ? It wasn't done overnight as you are suggesting it to be done today on this DragPak .....the combo we're talking about has got HP twice recently and with some good weather National events coming up will likely get more.......And yes , I really feel the FX classes are on the horizon ...........but as you say - what do I know - or who ? ?

Overnight? I suggested that all the combinations were fairly close in the old days and the HP was brought along in a mostly fair manner to ensure honest competition. There would ne no need for "overnight" adjustments had nhra done the right thing to begin with.

[dwydendorf]

How many of you guys complaining have sent your letters to NHRA asking for a horsepower reduction? The system works 2 ways and most engine combos out there have been refactored at one time or another. I heard that if you havn't run at a national event, you are wasting your time sending a letter, but the guys that have will probably have a class average low enough to get a reduction. With the combination of you taking weight out and the other cars getting horsepower, it might tighten up the races a little. OH, and by the way, I think I would not start or include the phrase "NHRA are you blind or Stupid?" in your letter. And If you say that you shouldn't have to send a letter in to get things even, the system doesn't work that way, so start putting your letters together.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by dwydendorf

How many of you guys complaining have sent your letters to NHRA asking for a horsepower reduction? The system works 2 ways and most engine combos out there have been refactored at one time or another. I heard that if you havn't run at a national event, you are wasting your time sending a letter, but the guys that have will probably have a class average low enough to get a reduction. With the combination of you taking weight out and the other cars getting horsepower, it might tighten up the races a little. OH, and by the way, I think I would not start or include the phrase "NHRA are you blind or Stupid?" in your letter. And If you say that you shouldn't have to send a letter in to get things even, the system doesn't work that way, so start putting your letters together.

Oh yes, we have written many letters to nhra. And they were very nice letters. You can catch more flies with sugar than vinegar. But Light, Gray and Gracia made it very clear that they were not going to do a thing until the AHFS was tiggered. And they had no intention of removing weight to balance the old v. new cars. Period end of discussion - go away. You know what I mean. And finally the poor AHFS was NOT designed to correct abuses by nhra. It's more of a tweaking system. Any other good ideas? We're open for them.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Oh yes, we have written many letters to nhra. And they were very nice letters. You can catch more flies with sugar than vinegar. But Light, Gray and Gracia made it very clear that they were not going to do a thing until the AHFS was tiggered. And they had no intention of removing weight to balance the old v. new cars. Period end of discussion - go away. You know what I mean. And finally the poor AHFS was NOT designed to correct abuses by nhra. It's more of a tweaking system. Any other good ideas? We're open for them.

Soooooooooo Just WHAT are the "SHEEP" planning on doing about it?

[BlueOval Ralph]

If you feel the pain as you stated then speak up you don't work for NHRA any more if more of you guy's would speak up to NHRA you would be better off!

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Kenny - By no means is your combo equal - but just for a second lets look at this from a different angle - your 360cid / 284 hp was once 160 hp -- was that fair ? Over the years it grew 124 hp -- and not overnight i'm sure -- let the system work awhile like it did on your combo ...........

PS-If you feel H/SA is no fun you 'otta try E/SA - now there is a challenge ( no pun intended) .Trust me I feel your pain ..........