Lack of integrity

[Bruce Noland]

Everybody can voice their own opinion!

These new cars affect every class from AA to J - stick and automatic. Making fun of folks who have worked hard on their combinations isn't funny; especially from a racer who is immune to the new cars. And that is my opinion.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Everybody can voice their own opinion!

These new cars affect every class from AA to J - stick and automatic. Making fun of folks who have worked hard on their combinations isn't funny; especially from a racer who is immune to the new cars. And that is my opinion.

I have raced stock eliminator cars since the mid 70's. Back then I was envious of the numerous mid class stockers that could buy a new Firebird, GTO, Ventura, Olds or Buick station wagon, Etc. Never even change a spark plug on it and go set records.
While we worked hard to get our car to work. We could have gone out and bought one of them, but we couldn't afford it.
But the big difference if I complained noboby would hear me. So we worked hard and persevered.
The one difference is those cars were able to be registered. The reason the cars of today are not is the C.A.F.E. regs and liability. Otherwise the factory could slap a vin number on them.
I wouldn't beat the vin number drum to loud because there are numerous cars out there that the vin will not match the class the car runs in.

[Bruce Noland]

Art,
When it comes to corporate philosophy. The whole world has moved on from the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's - except for nhra. It is still trying to run this tired old game with the rules and the OEM's, but it won't work in the 2010's. People and technology have become too sophisticated to allow these tactics to continue. People have grown weary because of these money grubbing games. Things will change.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Art,
When it comes to corporate philosophy. The whole world has moved on from the 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's - except for nhra. It is still trying to run this tired old game with the rules and the OEM's, but it won't work in the 2010's. People and technology have become too sophisticated to allow these tactics to continue. People have grown weary because of these money grubbing games. Things will change.

It sounds like todays politics dosent it !!!!!!!!!

[art leong]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

It sounds like todays politics dosent it !!!!!!!!!

Yes Terry it does.
Level the playing field=========Distribute the wealth
Sounds like a 2 headed coin to me.

[Bruce Noland]

Hey that's a great idea. Minting a new nhra coin. One side could say Heads We win and the other side could say Tails You lose.

[art leong]

Just be carefull of what you wish for, you might get it.
Look at what the beloved IHRA has done to Top Stock You needed a calculator to figure out what you need to weigh from week to week. That was very sucessful wasn't it.

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by art leong

Yes Terry it does.
Level the playing field=========Distribute the wealth
Sounds like a 2 headed coin to me.

Art, the playing field should be level. NHRA should strive to have a fair and level field for all competitors. You seem to apologize for these new cars, their bogus hp ratings on the crate motors and the fact that they were never built for street use. I wonder if you had to race them heads up you would have a different attitude.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Art, the playing field should be level. NHRA should strive to have a fair and level field for all competitors. You seem to apologize for these new cars, their bogus hp ratings on the crate motors and the fact that they were never built for street use. I wonder if you had to race them heads up you would have a different attitude.

Greg there is a place to race with a level playing field. Bracket racing.
I could be more inline with the rants about the new cars. If stock were really stock.
With all the chemical milling, the valve springs, the wheelie bars, the aftermarket heads, Etc.
I don't feel sorry for anyone. It's not totally the racers fault. The associations have allowed these things, or looked the other way.
How many racers on here that are complaining are using real stock cylinder heads?
Especially in the faster classes if they go 1 second under.
They should be able to do what they want. But stop the new cars.
I feel the guys with the acid porting, ruined stock for me back in 1980.
I didn't bitch to anyone I decided to quit while I was ahead.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by art leong

The one difference is those cars were able to be registered. The reason the cars of today are not is the C.A.F.E. regs and liability. Otherwise the factory could slap a vin number on them.

Art, that loophole is big enough to drive a Pro Mod through. Seriously, with that one loophole, an OEM has damned near free reign to do practically anything they want to. It's a loophole that Stock and Super Stock cannot afford to have open. Not in today's world of corporate America. We've already had a taste.

Right now, there's very little stopping the OEM's from having their way. When you have "write your own specs, write your own HP rating, and it doesn't have to meet any production standard, so long as you also write a check", you have an avenue for the OEM's to get absolute pure race cars and race engines in the guide that no one ever even dreamed of, all the way back to the days of real showroom muscle cars.

No, this is not a return to the "good old days" of the "factory muscle car", this is a trip to the new era of corporate America, where anything goes. It's not something that class racing can afford, and maybe not something class racing can survive.