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[bigshow2966]

Most of the package cars will be getting HP next week anyway, so it will shake itself out soon.

Just asking, but were you the fastest non-package car there?

[art leong]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

Most of the package cars will be getting HP next week anyway, so it will shake itself out soon.

Just asking, but were you the fastest non-package car there?

I was not at Indy this year (tranmission is still apart) I look forward to the "Go Fast" race at Belle Rose next year. I think I can handle the package cars, At the very least I will try.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

Just asking, but were you the fastest non-package car there?

Just asking, what difference does it make?

He's got a pretty decent A/SA car, and he's done a lot to help other people race and learn. He's paid his dues, and goes by his real name, too.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

Just asking, but were you the fastest non-package car there?

Just asking, what difference does it make?

He's got a pretty decent A/SA car, and he's done a lot to help other people race and learn. He's paid his dues, builds his own engines, and goes by his real name, too. He's just another good racer, trying to run a car he already owns, without going $100K in debt, and doing it the old fashioned way, working hard on it himself, instead of buying it all done.

[bigshow2966]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Just asking, what difference does it make?

He's got a pretty decent A/SA car, and he's done a lot to help other people race and learn. He's paid his dues, builds his own engines, and goes by his real name, too. He's just another good racer, trying to run a car he already owns, without going $100K in debt, and doing it the old fashioned way, working hard on it himself, instead of buying it all done.

Why does it matter? because, if he wasn't the fastest non-package car how would he win?

The package cars are taking care of themselves, no need to be selling off "uncompetitive" cars yet.

And so what if someone else has bought a competitive car out of the box for big money? That has always been the nature of class racing. You buys your ticket and takes your chance. Someone, somewhere will always be faster eventually.

Dennis Schumers
Park Forest, IL

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

Why does it matter? because, if he wasn't the fastest non-package car how would he win?

The package cars are taking care of themselves, no need to be selling off "uncompetitive" cars yet.

And so what if someone else has bought a competitive car out of the box for big money? That has always been the nature of class racing. You buys your ticket and takes your chance. Someone, somewhere will always be faster eventually.

Dennis Schumers
Park Forest, IL

The thing is, you're wrong. Because there were only a very few of A cars able to go 9.90's in decent air, and only a very few AA cars capable of going 9.60's in decent air. Now there are a couple dozen, at least. The average A car was a ten-teen car, and the average AA car was a 9.80 car in decent air. So a guy with an average car had a shot. so long as he didn't run into one of the few. Now the few are many, and the average guy is ten times more likely to meet one.

Many of us could race for years, and have, without ever seeing one of the really fast 427 cars like the Sorensons or DeArmond, or even one of the other killer cars like Shaul, Holroyd, DeFrank or the others. You're assuming that only the fastest of the traditional combinations lost anything. That assumption has no merit.

If you already had $50K or so invested in an average A or AA car and you can't pony up $80K+ for a new car, you're well behind the 8 ball, with little chance to catch up.

Another thing is that people believe you can just go out and buy a killer engine from a top name builder and you have an instant 1.1-1.2 under car. Nothing could be further from the truth. The average guy, given Joe and Hal's car, or Bobby's car, in pieces, with just the engine built, would barely run 1 under with it if/when they got it together.

[bigshow2966]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The thing is, you're wrong. Because there were only a very few of A cars able to go 9.90's in decent air, and only a very few AA cars capable of going 9.60's in decent air. Now there are a couple dozen, at least. The average A car was a ten-teen car, and the average AA car was a 9.80 car in decent air. So a guy with an average car had a shot. so long as he didn't run into one of the few. Now the few are many, and the average guy is ten times more likely to meet one.

Many of us could race for years, and have, without ever seeing one of the really fast 427 cars like the Sorensons or DeArmond, or even one of the other killer cars like Shaul, Holroyd, DeFrank or the others. You're assuming that only the fastest of the traditional combinations lost anything. That assumption has no merit.

If you already had $50K or so invested in an average A or AA car and you can't pony up $80K+ for a new car, you're well behind the 8 ball, with little chance to catch up.

Another thing is that people believe you can just go out and buy a killer engine from a top name builder and you have an instant 1.1-1.2 under car. Nothing could be further from the truth. The average guy, given Joe and Hal's car, or Bobby's car, in pieces, with just the engine built, would barely run 1 under with it if/when they got it together.

Isn't that the point of heads-up class racing, to be faster than the other guys no matter what? And hasn't it always been that the one with the most money or talent will win? What about the "old days" when the factories were sending out ringer cars all the time? Are things really any different now?

The CJ's are well on the way to SS only, and the 6.1 Hemi will probably not be too far behind. The 5.7 and 5.9 will be getting a present shortly too.

I think trying to sell off my car now is a tad premature.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

Isn't that the point of heads-up class racing, to be faster than the other guys no matter what? And hasn't it always been that the one with the most money or talent will win? What about the "old days" when the factories were sending out ringer cars all the time? Are things really any different now?

The CJ's are well on the way to SS only, and the 6.1 Hemi will probably not be too far behind. The 5.7 and 5.9 will be getting a present shortly too.

I think trying to sell off my car now is a tad premature.

Well on their way to Super Stock? These cars will still be in Stock for many years after many of todays racers are dead and gone if nothing is done about them.

[Bob Mulry]

So let me see if I have this right..............

Take run of 10.000 in E/SA....

This car goes out and runs hard enough at Sea Level National Events to get a 3.25% HP hit.....

This same car would have do this 6 times at different events (if any other DP 5.7 cars run 1.25 under at the same event it only counts as once) even after getting hit 6 times the HP rating would be 378 HP (a little more than an LS-1)

Now this car will race as a natural A/SA car and weigh 3194 lbs., which is 126 lbs less than it now weighs for E/SA.....

Let's see an ET of 10.000 and than you remove 126 lbs so you end up with an A/SA car that runs 9.90's in the summer at INDY.

However, this combo would have to be hit 6 times for that to happen.....

What a plan...

Bob