Lack of integrity - Page 4

Chad Rhodes · 09-03-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865

RJ,

Maybe more like taking a stick to a gun fight or a butter knife.

Cooter, I was thinking it was one of those Spork things you get from Chic-Fil-A or something

Greg Hill · 09-03-2010, 09:19 AM

This bs started when NHRA changed the rules to allow these purpose built race cars into stock eliminator. They don't have motors that come in street cars. They have motors put together from the Ford racing and Mopar high performance parts books with hp ratings dreamed up to make them dominate over cars that were actually built with SAE hp ratings. This was a purposely done thing by NHRA and Ford and Chrysler. As long as we continue to support NHRA by going to National events nothing is going to change. Let them run a few Nationals with just these new cars and see what happens.

RJ Sledge · 09-03-2010, 09:29 AM

I am hoping that sooner or later (preferably sooner) they will either (1) put about 50% more hp on these cars across the board and if it proves its too much too soon, we will just let the AHFS do its job of "leveling" the playing field, right? I mean after all, doesn't the AHFS work both ways.....Yeah right!

(2) Just put them in their own little class and let them bash heads for a few years (15 sounds good to me) and then when they have established a HP rating that is "reasonable", just merge them back into the original backbone of NHRA, Stock and SuperStock Eliminator.

Now I hate to complain about any particular Combo, but I spend a lot of time, effort and money on my car. Its fast, but their are other regular(Carb or FI) Combos that are just as fast and faster. But these NEW cars are "Light Years" faster. There is no way having one HP correction per year is going to get things even remotely close to the proper ratings.

The way it is now, with the NEW cars to contend with, If you want to run at a venue that is having Class run offs, you are being CHEATED out of any chance to win. You have spent countless dollars making your car fast and legal per NHRA Rules, paid the entry fee, and now its like.........." we didn't tell you what type of car to build" or "the AHFS will take care of it, just give it a chance".

Yeah, Cooter make that a plastic butter knife!

Later RJ

X-TECH MAN · 09-03-2010, 09:33 AM

WELL...........WHAT are you racers going to do about it? Just bitching on this forum wont accomplish much of anything !

smracer2002 · 09-03-2010, 09:44 AM

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Steve1118 · 09-03-2010, 11:25 AM

Now, I don't have a dog in this fight (I'm a NSS racer), but I certainly see everyone's point.

However, I must point out that there is more outside interest in Stock Eliminator now than there has been in many, many, years, and the CJ's and the DP's are responsible for it. They've increased the exposure of Stock Eliminator racing in a way that would never have been done had the factorys not gotten involved to this level. I know, personally, that for the first time in years I've been paying attention to what is going on in classes other than SS/AH.

Now, I'm a Nostalgia guy, through and through, but I realize that there is a limit on the number of folks that relate to my forty five year old Dodge hardtop, but the youngsters go gaga over the new Challengers and Mustangs. It's a generational thing. Although we get a good spectator count at a lot of the NSS races, there is a limited number of Gen Xers (?) in the stands. That is a fact.

I am an old Hemi guy, and, to me, a naturally aspirated 426 is in a class of itself. But, I do realize that the engine is 46 years old, and I think everyone has to be thankful that all this old musclecar technology has remained dominant as long as it has.

Although it's tough to take, I think that the natural progession of things has happened, like it or not. Just food for thought.

Jack McCarthy · 09-03-2010, 12:56 PM

greg as much as you are right on with this post, you are wrong when this BS started. the lack of integrity started when the "corporation" decided to ease the tech enforcement, and cowered down to the racers with agendas. Stock is supposed to be stock.

since the whoring out of our class began the people who had INTEGRITY headed for the hills. instead of having a national tech director who had INTEGRITY the "corporation" placed people in that position who would do as they were told. instead of someone with the authority to police the HP bull**** we got the Automatic Help For Slugs computer program which (as i have said at least 10,000 times) cannot and will not EVER work shoved up our *****...instead of someone who with INTEGRITY who sould address this current BS we have the "corporation" who is being paid with publicity and im sure cash into the non profit pockets to allow this.

what can we do ??
i am not am member at this time
i have not raced this year, albiet with a few other issues tossed in
i for the first time in 28 years will not set foot into the nationals

as long as 180 idiots continue to support this travesty we will never get anywhere

i am all for sending pat joffrion my $150 dollars and announce we have a new association
i pick pat because he of all the people ive dealt with cares about fairness and the racer and has no agenda other than "lets race"... his fairness rules are painted on the side of his tower - no BS there.

jack

thanks i had not been on my soapbox for the whole summer !!!!

novassdude · 09-03-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve1118

However, I must point out that there is more outside interest in Stock Eliminator now than there has been in many, many, years, and the CJ's and the DP's are responsible for it. They've increased the exposure of Stock Eliminator racing in a way that would never have been done had the factorys not gotten involved to this level. I know, personally, that for the first time in years I've been paying attention to what is going on in classes other than SS/AH.

This maybe true but I believe that they would have gotten the same outside attention if they were factored correctly. Most are not against the cars being here. Just the joke of a rating that was put on the motors. That and the fact that you can not get many of those motors in a true production car.

Michael Beard · 09-03-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by novassdude

This maybe true but I believe that they would have gotten the same outside attention if they were factored correctly. Most are not against the cars being here. Just the joke of a rating that was put on the motors. That and the fact that you can not get many of those motors in a true production car.

x2!

Jack McCarthy · 09-03-2010, 02:46 PM

they would get a HELL of a lot more attention in a special class AFX / BFX / CFX and run em heads up ... let the $$$$$$$$$$ compete there not with us !!!!

captain jack

09-03-2010, 09:19 AM	#32
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 69 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity This bs started when NHRA changed the rules to allow these purpose built race cars into stock eliminator. They don't have motors that come in street cars. They have motors put together from the Ford racing and Mopar high performance parts books with hp ratings dreamed up to make them dominate over cars that were actually built with SAE hp ratings. This was a purposely done thing by NHRA and Ford and Chrysler. As long as we continue to support NHRA by going to National events nothing is going to change. Let them run a few Nationals with just these new cars and see what happens. __________________ Greg Hill 4171 STK

09-03-2010, 09:29 AM	#33
RJ Sledge Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 783 Likes: 504 Liked 288 Times in 90 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity I am hoping that sooner or later (preferably sooner) they will either (1) put about 50% more hp on these cars across the board and if it proves its too much too soon, we will just let the AHFS do its job of "leveling" the playing field, right? I mean after all, doesn't the AHFS work both ways.....Yeah right! (2) Just put them in their own little class and let them bash heads for a few years (15 sounds good to me) and then when they have established a HP rating that is "reasonable", just merge them back into the original backbone of NHRA, Stock and SuperStock Eliminator. Now I hate to complain about any particular Combo, but I spend a lot of time, effort and money on my car. Its fast, but their are other regular(Carb or FI) Combos that are just as fast and faster. But these NEW cars are "Light Years" faster. There is no way having one HP correction per year is going to get things even remotely close to the proper ratings. The way it is now, with the NEW cars to contend with, If you want to run at a venue that is having Class run offs, you are being CHEATED out of any chance to win. You have spent countless dollars making your car fast and legal per NHRA Rules, paid the entry fee, and now its like.........." we didn't tell you what type of car to build" or "the AHFS will take care of it, just give it a chance". Yeah, Cooter make that a plastic butter knife! Later RJ Last edited by RJ Sledge; 09-03-2010 at 06:44 PM.

09-03-2010, 09:33 AM	#34
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity WELL...........WHAT are you racers going to do about it? Just bitching on this forum wont accomplish much of anything !

09-03-2010, 09:44 AM	#35
smracer2002 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: So Tx. USA Posts: 92 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity ... __________________ First On Race Day Last edited by smracer2002; 09-03-2010 at 09:50 AM.

09-03-2010, 11:25 AM	#36
Steve1118 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Walton's Mountain Posts: 116 Likes: 2 Liked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Now, I don't have a dog in this fight (I'm a NSS racer), but I certainly see everyone's point. However, I must point out that there is more outside interest in Stock Eliminator now than there has been in many, many, years, and the CJ's and the DP's are responsible for it. They've increased the exposure of Stock Eliminator racing in a way that would never have been done had the factorys not gotten involved to this level. I know, personally, that for the first time in years I've been paying attention to what is going on in classes other than SS/AH. Now, I'm a Nostalgia guy, through and through, but I realize that there is a limit on the number of folks that relate to my forty five year old Dodge hardtop, but the youngsters go gaga over the new Challengers and Mustangs. It's a generational thing. Although we get a good spectator count at a lot of the NSS races, there is a limited number of Gen Xers (?) in the stands. That is a fact. I am an old Hemi guy, and, to me, a naturally aspirated 426 is in a class of itself. But, I do realize that the engine is 46 years old, and I think everyone has to be thankful that all this old musclecar technology has remained dominant as long as it has. Although it's tough to take, I think that the natural progession of things has happened, like it or not. Just food for thought.

09-03-2010, 12:56 PM	#37
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity greg as much as you are right on with this post, you are wrong when this BS started. the lack of integrity started when the "corporation" decided to ease the tech enforcement, and cowered down to the racers with agendas. Stock is supposed to be stock. since the whoring out of our class began the people who had INTEGRITY headed for the hills. instead of having a national tech director who had INTEGRITY the "corporation" placed people in that position who would do as they were told. instead of someone with the authority to police the HP bull** we got the Automatic Help For Slugs computer program which (as i have said at least 10,000 times) cannot and will not EVER work shoved up our ***...instead of someone who with INTEGRITY who sould address this current BS we have the "corporation" who is being paid with publicity and im sure cash into the non profit pockets to allow this. what can we do ?? i am not am member at this time i have not raced this year, albiet with a few other issues tossed in i for the first time in 28 years will not set foot into the nationals as long as 180 idiots continue to support this travesty we will never get anywhere i am all for sending pat joffrion my $150 dollars and announce we have a new association i pick pat because he of all the people ive dealt with cares about fairness and the racer and has no agenda other than "lets race"... his fairness rules are painted on the side of his tower - no BS there. jack thanks i had not been on my soapbox for the whole summer !!!! __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

09-03-2010, 02:46 PM	#40
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity they would get a HELL of a lot more attention in a special class AFX / BFX / CFX and run em heads up ... let the $$$$$$$$$$ compete there not with us !!!! captain jack __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"