Lack of integrity

Mike Fuller · 09-02-2010, 04:21 PM

Gregg, I think you are right with this idea. I doubt it will happen though. The problem that I have is ,what can we do to correct this situation? Should we ALL send NHRA a letter about the bogus ratings? What if we have a form letter that all the racers in our position send to NHRA? As Junior Barnes stated we don't stick together,or at least it seems that way. I am getting on in my years and close to retirement so I can't scrap my stuff and plunk down 90K for one of the new cars. Lets discuss this and try to form a workable solution. I think it is a good idea to have the new cars as a part of stock eliminator but they must not be able to easily dominate the older cars.

Chad Rhodes · 09-02-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Fuller

Gregg, I think you are right with this idea. I doubt it will happen though. The problem that I have is ,what can we do to correct this situation? Should we ALL send NHRA a letter about the bogus ratings? What if we have a form letter that all the racers in our position send to NHRA? As Junior Barnes stated we don't stick together,or at least it seems that way. I am getting on in my years and close to retirement so I can't scrap my stuff and plunk down 90K for one of the new cars. Lets discuss this and try to form a workable solution. I think it is a good idea to have the new cars as a part of stock eliminator but they must not be able to easily dominate the older cars.

SS motors in stockers? hell that might not be enough in some cases, lol

Jim Cimarolli · 09-02-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Fuller

Gregg, I think you are right with this idea. I doubt it will happen though. The problem that I have is ,what can we do to correct this situation? Should we ALL send NHRA a letter about the bogus ratings? What if we have a form letter that all the racers in our position send to NHRA? As Junior Barnes stated we don't stick together,or at least it seems that way. I am getting on in my years and close to retirement so I can't scrap my stuff and plunk down 90K for one of the new cars. Lets discuss this and try to form a workable solution. I think it is a good idea to have the new cars as a part of stock eliminator but they must not be able to easily dominate the older cars.

Mike,

Bad as I hate to say it, IMO they should just go to no heads up in the eliminator.

JSLRacing · 09-02-2010, 06:04 PM

Look when Mopar brought out the 68 1/2 Hemi Darts and Cudas.. The factory kept the rating at 450 hp even though everyone knew they made 550 hp. Out of the box they ran 10's, just like these new factory rockets.

NHRA had to create the Pro Stocks because of the domination of this factory supercars...

Now they had to move the Hemi Darts and Barracuda cars to their own Super Stock Class because of their dominance.

NHRA will allow this to continue because of the factory involvement. The factories have left the NHRA behind for so long in favour of Nascar that they are opening the involvement with open arms.

Sorry.. unlike the the 60's where they would have factored these car out of contention, the economy has forced NHRA's hand on this one.

A/SA will be a factory experimental class for the rich..

Pat6868 · 09-02-2010, 07:49 PM

While its easy to see these new cars have an advantage on factoring ,h. p. etc , maybe drag racing needs a breath of fresh air. I'd be more than willing to bet a traditional stocker with a top notch driver is gonna win the big prize. I think a lot of these new combo's will be on the trailers early.. Just my .02. Pat.

Andys dad · 09-02-2010, 08:27 PM

If you are ok with this for any reason at all ...

Please send me a check for $75,000 and I will send you my car.

That price would not be as far off as the HP of the new cars.

I find the excuses of why its alright - amusing. I think the post about where we would have qualified if only the new cars were not there - was one of the stupidest things I ever have seen.

Just imagine what these cars would run in Feb at Pomona at about 70 degrees and 1000 feet of altitude.

Like everything else - only those with money will survive and unfortunately I am beyond the big money phase of my life.

Dave Casey · 09-02-2010, 08:47 PM

Jim,
I can't believe you said that

Pat6868 · 09-02-2010, 08:54 PM

I got water coming out of my keyboard, Damn I hate when that happens. Pat

RULER · 09-02-2010, 09:08 PM

Jim please don't say that a second time, they just might do that then our devalued old cars would turn in to PRO bracket cars, with little value. They either need there own classes or the all need to have real HP factors whitch wouldn't be that hard to do!!!!!!!!

Jim Cimarolli · 09-02-2010, 09:16 PM

Dave,

I can't hardly believe it either.
Back in the 90's I would never have agreed with it, but I don't see a better way at this point.
The AHFS doesn't work, they piled up a bunch of hp. on the older combos, and now we have newer cars that are .5 seconds quicker than really serious older cars that are still out there. Look how many people have quit already.

09-02-2010, 04:21 PM	#1
Mike Fuller Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 951 Likes: 561 Liked 198 Times in 79 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Gregg, I think you are right with this idea. I doubt it will happen though. The problem that I have is ,what can we do to correct this situation? Should we ALL send NHRA a letter about the bogus ratings? What if we have a form letter that all the racers in our position send to NHRA? As Junior Barnes stated we don't stick together,or at least it seems that way. I am getting on in my years and close to retirement so I can't scrap my stuff and plunk down 90K for one of the new cars. Lets discuss this and try to form a workable solution. I think it is a good idea to have the new cars as a part of stock eliminator but they must not be able to easily dominate the older cars. __________________ Mike Fuller 396 STK 3961 SS

09-02-2010, 06:04 PM	#4
JSLRacing Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bothwell,ON Posts: 131 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Look when Mopar brought out the 68 1/2 Hemi Darts and Cudas.. The factory kept the rating at 450 hp even though everyone knew they made 550 hp. Out of the box they ran 10's, just like these new factory rockets. NHRA had to create the Pro Stocks because of the domination of this factory supercars... Now they had to move the Hemi Darts and Barracuda cars to their own Super Stock Class because of their dominance. NHRA will allow this to continue because of the factory involvement. The factories have left the NHRA behind for so long in favour of Nascar that they are opening the involvement with open arms. Sorry.. unlike the the 60's where they would have factored these car out of contention, the economy has forced NHRA's hand on this one. A/SA will be a factory experimental class for the rich.. __________________ Jason Goldsack - 1997 Track Champion - St. Thomas Dragway 1997 Race of Champions Winner - Indianapolis, IN Div. 3 finals

09-02-2010, 07:49 PM	#5
Pat6868 Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 102 Likes: 6 Liked 88 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity While its easy to see these new cars have an advantage on factoring ,h. p. etc , maybe drag racing needs a breath of fresh air. I'd be more than willing to bet a traditional stocker with a top notch driver is gonna win the big prize. I think a lot of these new combo's will be on the trailers early.. Just my .02. Pat.

09-02-2010, 08:27 PM	#6
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity If you are ok with this for any reason at all ... Please send me a check for $75,000 and I will send you my car. That price would not be as far off as the HP of the new cars. I find the excuses of why its alright - amusing. I think the post about where we would have qualified if only the new cars were not there - was one of the stupidest things I ever have seen. Just imagine what these cars would run in Feb at Pomona at about 70 degrees and 1000 feet of altitude. Like everything else - only those with money will survive and unfortunately I am beyond the big money phase of my life. __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

09-02-2010, 08:47 PM	#7
Dave Casey VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampden, MA Posts: 1,201 Likes: 233 Liked 774 Times in 164 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Jim, I can't believe you said that __________________ Dave Casey 1330 STK

09-02-2010, 08:54 PM	#8
Pat6868 Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 102 Likes: 6 Liked 88 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity I got water coming out of my keyboard, Damn I hate when that happens. Pat

09-02-2010, 09:08 PM	#9
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 221 Likes: 15 Liked 58 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Jim please don't say that a second time, they just might do that then our devalued old cars would turn in to PRO bracket cars, with little value. They either need there own classes or the all need to have real HP factors whitch wouldn't be that hard to do!!!!!!!!

09-02-2010, 09:16 PM	#10
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 743 Likes: 146 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Dave, I can't hardly believe it either. Back in the 90's I would never have agreed with it, but I don't see a better way at this point. The AHFS doesn't work, they piled up a bunch of hp. on the older combos, and now we have newer cars that are .5 seconds quicker than really serious older cars that are still out there. Look how many people have quit already.