The baddest GTDA in the country!

TinSoldier 3215 · 07-08-2010, 07:34 PM

Well!!! We will find out at Indy who haves the baddest GT/DA in the county!!! There are some fast cars in DA with Jerry, Paul, Phil, But if I was a betting man. MY MONEY WOULD BE ON THAT BES HORSEPOWER!!!!!

CMac455 · 07-08-2010, 09:16 PM

All combinations have variable advantages. Where a Pontiac lacks a Chevy gains, and vice versa, as far as combination advantages go. Chevy's HP factors are equally as spurious as Pontiac's Edelbrock replacements. Phil/Peter's versus Silveus' heads-up run will prove that to you. Power versus Weight; simple physics.

There is a devoid history, for the 428 Pontiac, prior to the release of the Edelbrock replacements. Having said that, I wouldn't exactly jump to conclusions on the potential of the combination using factory castings. Instead of spending time mathematically comparing 10 CFM versus ~100lbs, I can tell you that the aluminum heads are futile, as far as performance goes. Like Stacy said, they're just nice, cheap replacements.

Plus, Indians have been getting pooped on for centuries. It's our turn! :0)
All in all, I'm just excited that SuperStock isn't as monotonous as it used to be. I'm havin some fuuuuuunnn!!

WheelsUp · 07-09-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jonesracing

Well!!! We will find out at Indy who haves the baddest GT/DA in the county!!! There are some fast cars in DA with Jerry, Paul, Phil, But if I was a betting man. MY MONEY WOULD BE ON THAT BES HORSEPOWER!!!!!

Who is BES horsepower?

Dave Ficacci · 07-09-2010, 11:33 AM

Who has a BES engine?

John Langer · 07-09-2010, 12:58 PM

BES is Tony Bischoff out of Guilford, IN. He has either won or runnered up in the last 4-5 Engine Master Challenges. When it comes to N/A power, he the the best I can afford since Mike Edwards wont cash my checks. He has made a name for himself in the fastest street car world in the NMCA and NMRA building the fastest , most reliable, highest horsepower motors. He doesn't specialize in one engine brand. he builds wicked sbc, sbf, bbc, bbm, Pontiacs etc. He built Phils 428 currently in the Hatari and Stacy's GT/AA motor. I think he also just went thru someone's SS/AH motor and a wedge mopar as well. It is not uncommon for him to have 75-100 engines in the shop. He head and cast intake work is second to none!

Dave Ficacci · 07-09-2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by John Langer

He built Phils 428 currently in the Hatari

I don't think so...

John Langer · 07-10-2010, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

I don't think so...

Ask Phil...

Dgal · 07-10-2010, 10:11 AM

Keep an eye on a new combo in Div 4. It will probably run as GT/DE, but would be a killer in GT/DA.

PONTIAC'S REVENGE · 07-10-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci

I don't think so...

John is correct! both our engine's were on bischoff's dyno the same day. I convinced Phil to go there after he lost an engine at Bristol. My engine made more power on the dyno but u gotta hand it to Phil and Pete making that chassis work. Probably the most successful team in super stock. I made more power spent more money and the ole sly fox is going quicker. But he's my mentor and I'm glad

. I'm coming though, soon as I can get this 136 lbs off the car I got nailed with, that sucks!!! But that's another story....

BTW just talked with Phil yesterday and after over 60 run's all the bearing look brand new, he freshened the tranny but just put the engine back in as is. That's good workmanship for a 3.25 main journal and a 2.5 rod journal hittin 8000 rpm with a 75 lb crank!!! hat's off to Bischoff...Look out Jer!!! LOL

Stacy

TinSoldier 3215 · 07-10-2010, 11:34 PM

Hey wheels up, You wiil find out about BES HORSEPOWER AT INDY!!!!

07-08-2010, 07:34 PM	#1
TinSoldier 3215 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bulington, Ky Posts: 359 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: The baddest GTDA in the country! Well!!! We will find out at Indy who haves the baddest GT/DA in the county!!! There are some fast cars in DA with Jerry, Paul, Phil, But if I was a betting man. MY MONEY WOULD BE ON THAT BES HORSEPOWER!!!!!

07-08-2010, 09:16 PM	#2
CMac455 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 8 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The baddest GTDA in the country! All combinations have variable advantages. Where a Pontiac lacks a Chevy gains, and vice versa, as far as combination advantages go. Chevy's HP factors are equally as spurious as Pontiac's Edelbrock replacements. Phil/Peter's versus Silveus' heads-up run will prove that to you. Power versus Weight; simple physics. There is a devoid history, for the 428 Pontiac, prior to the release of the Edelbrock replacements. Having said that, I wouldn't exactly jump to conclusions on the potential of the combination using factory castings. Instead of spending time mathematically comparing 10 CFM versus ~100lbs, I can tell you that the aluminum heads are futile, as far as performance goes. Like Stacy said, they're just nice, cheap replacements. Plus, Indians have been getting pooped on for centuries. It's our turn! :0) All in all, I'm just excited that SuperStock isn't as monotonous as it used to be. I'm havin some fuuuuuunnn!!

07-09-2010, 11:33 AM	#4
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John Langer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 27 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: The baddest GTDA in the country! BES is Tony Bischoff out of Guilford, IN. He has either won or runnered up in the last 4-5 Engine Master Challenges. When it comes to N/A power, he the the best I can afford since Mike Edwards wont cash my checks. He has made a name for himself in the fastest street car world in the NMCA and NMRA building the fastest , most reliable, highest horsepower motors. He doesn't specialize in one engine brand. he builds wicked sbc, sbf, bbc, bbm, Pontiacs etc. He built Phils 428 currently in the Hatari and Stacy's GT/AA motor. I think he also just went thru someone's SS/AH motor and a wedge mopar as well. It is not uncommon for him to have 75-100 engines in the shop. He head and cast intake work is second to none!

07-10-2010, 10:11 AM	#8
Dgal Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 169 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The baddest GTDA in the country! Keep an eye on a new combo in Div 4. It will probably run as GT/DE, but would be a killer in GT/DA.

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TinSoldier 3215 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bulington, Ky Posts: 359 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: The baddest GTDA in the country! Hey wheels up, You wiil find out about BES HORSEPOWER AT INDY!!!!