Drooze & Teuton

Owen S Quirion · 06-14-2010, 10:02 AM

I must be missing something here. If I ordered a cam and thought that I had 1.6 rockers, why would the manufacturer grind my cam short so that it would check ok with 1.65's? I would have thought that the lift should have checked too high if 1.65's were used on a cam ground for 1.6's. Go ahead and educate me.

Billy Nees · 06-14-2010, 10:29 AM

Owen, the cam grinder will make you whatever you want.

James Perrone · 06-14-2010, 11:40 AM

Where is Drools
Former world champ driver?
Never had one?
Or did it Kaboom again?

Owen S Quirion · 06-14-2010, 12:32 PM

Billy, My point was why would a camgrinder grind a cam that hits the lift number with 1.65 rockers unless that's what he wanted to do. If the guy making the cam thought that the rocker ratio was 1.6 and you install it in an engine with 1.65 rockers, the cam would check over the high spec. Right?

Jeff Teuton · 06-14-2010, 02:13 PM

There is always some variables in valve gear. Pushrod deflection and length, valve spring pressure (checking spring vs running spring), lifter puck height just to name a few. Anyway it was my mistake so we will fix it. I don't anticipate much change on a small cam like we use in stock eliminator. It ain't like them 1" lift things in Super Stock. If the ratio wasn't stamped on the rocker, nobody would care. Very few have anything stamped on them. And like almost all rockers, the things don't check 1.65, but closer to 1.60. The 1.60 checked closer to 1.56 hence the 1.65. Anyway it's done. We still had a good time.

art leong · 06-14-2010, 04:00 PM

Back in our hemi days we would grind the rocker tips, and play with pushrod length. To get the cam to check legal.
Like Jeff said I doubt there would have been anything said about it if the ratios weren't stamped into the rocker.
I wonder if those people complianing here would like their ratios checked
I think some (a lot) of people would be upset.

Chris "drooze" Wertman · 06-17-2010, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Where is Drools
Former world champ driver?
Never had one?
Or did it Kaboom again?

Nope....no kaboom.

Nothing other than getting ready and finishing my house.

Just havent had a computer around, they dont react well to drywall dust and wood chips.

We got a driver.....a 2 time world Champ

Came out of "retirment" to race for us ..... actually Hiatus is more like it.

Stand up guy......

Ed Wright · 06-17-2010, 01:15 PM

Why the games about who it is??

Andrew Hill · 06-17-2010, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris "drooze" Wertman

Nope....no kaboom.

Nothing other than getting ready and finishing my house.

Just havent had a computer around, they dont react well to drywall dust and wood chips.

We got a driver.....a 2 time world Champ

Came out of "retirment" to race for us ..... actually Hiatus is more like it.

Stand up guy......

Keith Lynch?

novassdude · 06-17-2010, 01:34 PM

As far as the rule on rocker ratio. I think what the HRA’S need to do is measure the valve lift at the rocker. Measure the lift at the cam. Do the math if the ratio is correct or under they are legal. If it is over they are out. No matter what it says on the rocker.

06-14-2010, 10:02 AM	#1
Owen S Quirion Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Captiol District of New York Posts: 71 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Drooze & Teuton I must be missing something here. If I ordered a cam and thought that I had 1.6 rockers, why would the manufacturer grind my cam short so that it would check ok with 1.65's? I would have thought that the lift should have checked too high if 1.65's were used on a cam ground for 1.6's. Go ahead and educate me. __________________ BF/S 1985 Grand Am 3.0 V6

06-14-2010, 10:29 AM	#2
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,487 Likes: 3,588 Liked 7,687 Times in 1,732 Posts	Re: Drooze & Teuton Owen, the cam grinder will make you whatever you want. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

06-14-2010, 11:40 AM	#3
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,673 Likes: 3,361 Liked 1,805 Times in 423 Posts	Re: Drooze & Teuton Where is Drools Former world champ driver? Never had one? Or did it Kaboom again? __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

06-14-2010, 12:32 PM	#4
Owen S Quirion Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Captiol District of New York Posts: 71 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Drooze & Teuton Billy, My point was why would a camgrinder grind a cam that hits the lift number with 1.65 rockers unless that's what he wanted to do. If the guy making the cam thought that the rocker ratio was 1.6 and you install it in an engine with 1.65 rockers, the cam would check over the high spec. Right? __________________ BF/S 1985 Grand Am 3.0 V6

06-14-2010, 02:13 PM	#5
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Drooze & Teuton There is always some variables in valve gear. Pushrod deflection and length, valve spring pressure (checking spring vs running spring), lifter puck height just to name a few. Anyway it was my mistake so we will fix it. I don't anticipate much change on a small cam like we use in stock eliminator. It ain't like them 1" lift things in Super Stock. If the ratio wasn't stamped on the rocker, nobody would care. Very few have anything stamped on them. And like almost all rockers, the things don't check 1.65, but closer to 1.60. The 1.60 checked closer to 1.56 hence the 1.65. Anyway it's done. We still had a good time. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

06-14-2010, 04:00 PM	#6
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Drooze & Teuton Back in our hemi days we would grind the rocker tips, and play with pushrod length. To get the cam to check legal. Like Jeff said I doubt there would have been anything said about it if the ratios weren't stamped into the rocker. I wonder if those people complianing here would like their ratios checked I think some (a lot) of people would be upset. __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

06-17-2010, 01:15 PM	#8
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Drooze & Teuton Why the games about who it is?? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

06-17-2010, 01:34 PM	#10
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Drooze & Teuton As far as the rule on rocker ratio. I think what the HRA’S need to do is measure the valve lift at the rocker. Measure the lift at the cam. Do the math if the ratio is correct or under they are legal. If it is over they are out. No matter what it says on the rocker.