Impact Racing - Page 11

Ron Zenzen 5402 · 04-24-2010, 02:03 PM

This whole thing just sucks! So even if you bought jackets and pants in 09, no date on either there junk???

jmarkaudio · 04-24-2010, 02:27 PM

IMPACT PRESS RELEASE - APRIL 23rd 2010

Contrary to the assertions of SFI, there is no safety risk to users of Impact Racing suits bearing SFI 3.2A/5 certification tags. The issue that has been created by SFI involves thread used in Impact’s fire suits. The error in the assessment of SFI is revealed by its assertion that thread used by Impact Racing “melts away in a fire”. According to the analysis presented by SFI “this causes the fabric to come apart since there is no longer thread to hold the suit together”. This conclusion demonstrates the lack of understanding on the part of SFI as to what causes a fire suit to work and what causes a fire suit to be safe.

The thread about which SFI complains is not intended to “hold the suit together”. The fabric does not “come apart” in a fire. In a fire, the layers of fabric must be allowed to expand because it is expansion that creates the layer of air that insulates a racer from fire. Impact Racing understands the necessity of this process in fire suit construction. SFI does not.

SFI has been aware of the thread used by Impact Racing since January 14, 2009. Rather than acknowledge that SFI’s specification diminishes fire suit safety and changing the specification to enhance fire suit safety, SFI has, without foundation, accused Impact Racing of providing samples of a certain type to get SFI certification and then changing the lay-up for manufacturing. Impact Racing manufactures fire suits knowing that lives are at stake. Impact Racing fire suits are safe independent of SFI standards.

SFI has taken credit for the avoidance of burns or other injuries to users of Impact Racing products. According to SFI the absence of burns or other injuries to due “to the policing of Impact products by SFI”. The absence of burns or other injuries to users of Impact Racing products is a result of attention to design and commitment to safety throughout the Impact Racing product line. What SFI has deemed to be a “pattern of non-compliance” by Impact Racing is a dispute over standards that SFI refuses to change even under circumstances when change is in the best interest of the user of the product.

Impact Racing is engaged in discussions with SFI about its products, SFI standards, and SFI testing procedures. Impact Racing is committed to resolving these issues with SFI if it can be done without compromising the benchmarks Impact Racing has established to assure product safety.

Rick Blake · 04-24-2010, 08:50 PM

^^^^^^ Wonder why Impact Racing just pulled their appeal......???????

Charrlie_S · 04-25-2010, 09:22 PM

Anyone notice how many Impact "suits" were in the post race interviews, at the NASCAR races, today?

jmarkaudio · 04-27-2010, 02:32 PM

Shame NHRA isn't this bright...

http://www.imca.com/newsroom.php?newsid=2616

A four step process is next for IMCA and licensed drivers with Impact Racing-made firesuits affected by SFI Foundation decertification.
That decertification of firesuits made and/or distributed in production years 2008 and before takes effect on April 27.
“The first thing we have to do as a sanctioning body is notify our racers of the situation. New and conflicting information comes out weekly, sometimes daily and we are staying on top of it,” explained IMCA Vice President of Operations Brett Root, “Over the next 60 days, it is suggested that drivers will need to identify what they have and determine if their firesuit has been decertified. This will enable drivers to determine whether or not they wish to take the opportunity offered by Impact to purchase new fire suits at discounted prices based on the date of purchase, including free shipping.
“IMCA's general counsel has been in contact with Impact’s lawyers and Impact Racing owner Bill Simpson. We expect to receive updated information and we will do our best to help drivers in the process,” he added. “This is an extremely important safety issue and if the firesuit they own is being decertified, the decision will have to be made whether to replace it. Bill Simpson has informed IMCA's general counsel that all of the fire suits manufactured by Impact Racing exceed SFI standards and that he believes this will be proven in court. He has made it plain that he stands behind the safety of his products and is releasing a press release today providing details.”
IMCA has determined that based upon the competing claims between SFI and Impact, more time is required to study the issue. Therefore, IMCA drivers will not be disqualified or not allowed to compete at sanctioned events prior to June 27 to give Impact an opportunity to demonstrate its claims.
SFI had originally announced in March it would decertify suits, harnesses and restraint assemblies made and/or distributed by Impact, alleging the use of counterfeit SFI conformance labels or patches. Safety requirements for all seven IMCA divisions are virtually identical; arm restraints are also required in the Sprint Car class.
In its most recent release, SFI said late Wednesday it had received test results from two Impact suits believed to have been manufactured in 2008. Thread on both suits failed heat resistance testing; neither suit had a date of manufacture, contrary to SFI specifications, and both were affixed with counterfeit SFI patches. In SFI’s opinion, the failure of the thread poses a safety risk to those who wear these suits in auto racing. Impact appears to challenge both the conclusion of SFI and their standards.
Impact came out with a press release of its own this week, disagreeing with the certification and offering new firesuits at discounted prices based on the date of purchase, plus free shipping. The details of this process are on Impact’s website. A second Impact release is to be distributed at 5 p.m. EST Thursday, April 22, after this issue of Inside IMCA went to press.
Based in Poway, Calif., SFI is a non-profit organization that issues and administers standards for high performance equipment. Following an April 1 hearing in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis, SFI and Impact issued a joint press release stating that products made and sold during the 2009 and 2010 production years would not be decertified and that no counterfeit labels or patches were used during that time. The only SFI-rated safety equipment required for use in IMCA sanctioned events are firesuits and safety harnesses.
IMCA's general counsel will continue to follow up on the representation made by SFI and Impact in their joint press releases. IMCA continues to be committed to racer safety and will continue to press Impact and SFI to publish and implement procedures so racers can continue to be protected.

jmarkaudio · 04-27-2010, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Blake

^^^^^^ Wonder why Impact Racing just pulled their appeal......???????

IMPACT PRESS RELEASE - APRIL 22nd 2010

Impact strongly disagrees with SFI’s decertification of its products manufactured in the years 2005-2008. Impact is working diligently to resolve this issue with SFI. Impact decided to stop the internal SFI appeal process because it became obvious that Impact could not get a fair hearing.

Impact’s track record of providing safety to racers is unmatched. There have been no burns or other injuries reported to Impact by any racer wearing Impact Race Products since its inception. Impact has seen drivers wearing its gear walk away unharmed from very serious explosions and wrecks. We stand behind the safety of our products 100% and have always placed the safety of racers at the forefront of our mission and company. Bill Simpson has worked at the goal of saving racers’ lives for over 52 years and his name is synonymous with motorsports safety.

Impact’s vocal position has been that SFI’s certification programs are seriously flawed and antiquated and do not address the issue of safety. Accordingly, SFI is applying standards to us that it has not applied to any other product manufacturer.

Impact regrets that SFI has chosen the path of decertification and lawsuits against Impact as a way to handle any concerns it has. Bill Simpson and Impact Racing have always worked closely with SFI and all sanctioning bodies to help improve driver safety in motorsports and come up with many innovations in safety. Impact would like to have resolved this issue in a different way. Unfortunately, SFI’s actions have caused racers unnecessarily to question their safety.

Impact will do everything in its power to resolve this dispute and help our loyal customers through it. We are committed to clearing Impact’s name and moving onward with our job of providing the best safety equipment money can buy to racers across the country and world.

Rick Blake · 04-27-2010, 08:41 PM

^^^^^^^^ and your point is what....??????? What you just posted has absolutely nothing to do with my post....???????

Floyd Gomez · 04-28-2010, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Blake

^^^^^^^^ and your point is what....??????? What you just posted has absolutely nothing to do with my post....???????

I was thinking the same thing. You have to wonder if they (Impact) realize they are fighting a losing battle. SFI has already stated that ALL IMPACT gear will no longer be certified after june 22nd and Impact will be dropped from the SFI program. So I guess the helmet will no longer be useful as well as the stuff people just bought this year.

rallye bob · 04-28-2010, 07:08 AM

What pisses me off is, now Impact wants the customer (me) to do all their leg work....
WUWT?
"You will have to provide a proof of purchase" HOW MANY OF YOU SAVE ALL YOUR P.O.P. for years????

4/27/10
PASS TECH INSPECTION!!
GET YOUR DATE OF MANUFACTURE FORMS - CALL IMPACT TODAY.
Attention Racers:
In regards to our current situation with SFI, we understand that some racers may have trouble passing tech inspections with Impact Racing safety equipment. To remedy this inconvenience, Impact Racing can provide you with a Date of Manufacture Verification form for products purchased in 2009 and 2010 only. If you call the Impact Racing office at 317-852-3067 you can obtain this form from any one of our sales associates. You will have to provide a proof of purchase. Please check with your sanctioning body to see if this form will allow you to pass tech and race at your event. Any racers with products purchased prior to 2009 can call Impact to order new product at a discounted rate.

Floyd Gomez · 04-28-2010, 07:17 AM

Here is what I don't get. Impact says that they will sell you a replacement at a discounted rate. However SFI states that after June 22 2010 All products will decertify and Imapct will be out of the SFI program. So if you give Impact more money you get to use the new product for 2 months and then you will have ot go out and buy new stuff again from another vendor? How stupid do these people think we are?

04-24-2010, 02:03 PM	#101
Ron Zenzen 5402 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 76 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Impact Racing This whole thing just sucks! So even if you bought jackets and pants in 09, no date on either there junk??? __________________ Ron Zenzen 5402 SS

04-24-2010, 02:27 PM	#102
jmarkaudio Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 83 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Impact Racing IMPACT PRESS RELEASE - APRIL 23rd 2010 Contrary to the assertions of SFI, there is no safety risk to users of Impact Racing suits bearing SFI 3.2A/5 certification tags. The issue that has been created by SFI involves thread used in Impact’s fire suits. The error in the assessment of SFI is revealed by its assertion that thread used by Impact Racing “melts away in a fire”. According to the analysis presented by SFI “this causes the fabric to come apart since there is no longer thread to hold the suit together”. This conclusion demonstrates the lack of understanding on the part of SFI as to what causes a fire suit to work and what causes a fire suit to be safe. The thread about which SFI complains is not intended to “hold the suit together”. The fabric does not “come apart” in a fire. In a fire, the layers of fabric must be allowed to expand because it is expansion that creates the layer of air that insulates a racer from fire. Impact Racing understands the necessity of this process in fire suit construction. SFI does not. SFI has been aware of the thread used by Impact Racing since January 14, 2009. Rather than acknowledge that SFI’s specification diminishes fire suit safety and changing the specification to enhance fire suit safety, SFI has, without foundation, accused Impact Racing of providing samples of a certain type to get SFI certification and then changing the lay-up for manufacturing. Impact Racing manufactures fire suits knowing that lives are at stake. Impact Racing fire suits are safe independent of SFI standards. SFI has taken credit for the avoidance of burns or other injuries to users of Impact Racing products. According to SFI the absence of burns or other injuries to due “to the policing of Impact products by SFI”. The absence of burns or other injuries to users of Impact Racing products is a result of attention to design and commitment to safety throughout the Impact Racing product line. What SFI has deemed to be a “pattern of non-compliance” by Impact Racing is a dispute over standards that SFI refuses to change even under circumstances when change is in the best interest of the user of the product. Impact Racing is engaged in discussions with SFI about its products, SFI standards, and SFI testing procedures. Impact Racing is committed to resolving these issues with SFI if it can be done without compromising the benchmarks Impact Racing has established to assure product safety.

04-24-2010, 08:50 PM	#103
Rick Blake Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SW FLORIDA Posts: 208 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Impact Racing ^^^^^^ Wonder why Impact Racing just pulled their appeal......??????? __________________ Rick Blake 2395 SG, SC, SP

04-25-2010, 09:22 PM	#104
Charrlie_S Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Silver Springs, Florida Posts: 34 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Impact Racing Anyone notice how many Impact "suits" were in the post race interviews, at the NASCAR races, today?

04-27-2010, 02:32 PM	#105
jmarkaudio Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 83 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Impact Racing Shame NHRA isn't this bright... http://www.imca.com/newsroom.php?newsid=2616 A four step process is next for IMCA and licensed drivers with Impact Racing-made firesuits affected by SFI Foundation decertification. That decertification of firesuits made and/or distributed in production years 2008 and before takes effect on April 27. “The first thing we have to do as a sanctioning body is notify our racers of the situation. New and conflicting information comes out weekly, sometimes daily and we are staying on top of it,” explained IMCA Vice President of Operations Brett Root, “Over the next 60 days, it is suggested that drivers will need to identify what they have and determine if their firesuit has been decertified. This will enable drivers to determine whether or not they wish to take the opportunity offered by Impact to purchase new fire suits at discounted prices based on the date of purchase, including free shipping. “IMCA's general counsel has been in contact with Impact’s lawyers and Impact Racing owner Bill Simpson. We expect to receive updated information and we will do our best to help drivers in the process,” he added. “This is an extremely important safety issue and if the firesuit they own is being decertified, the decision will have to be made whether to replace it. Bill Simpson has informed IMCA's general counsel that all of the fire suits manufactured by Impact Racing exceed SFI standards and that he believes this will be proven in court. He has made it plain that he stands behind the safety of his products and is releasing a press release today providing details.” IMCA has determined that based upon the competing claims between SFI and Impact, more time is required to study the issue. Therefore, IMCA drivers will not be disqualified or not allowed to compete at sanctioned events prior to June 27 to give Impact an opportunity to demonstrate its claims. SFI had originally announced in March it would decertify suits, harnesses and restraint assemblies made and/or distributed by Impact, alleging the use of counterfeit SFI conformance labels or patches. Safety requirements for all seven IMCA divisions are virtually identical; arm restraints are also required in the Sprint Car class. In its most recent release, SFI said late Wednesday it had received test results from two Impact suits believed to have been manufactured in 2008. Thread on both suits failed heat resistance testing; neither suit had a date of manufacture, contrary to SFI specifications, and both were affixed with counterfeit SFI patches. In SFI’s opinion, the failure of the thread poses a safety risk to those who wear these suits in auto racing. Impact appears to challenge both the conclusion of SFI and their standards. Impact came out with a press release of its own this week, disagreeing with the certification and offering new firesuits at discounted prices based on the date of purchase, plus free shipping. The details of this process are on Impact’s website. A second Impact release is to be distributed at 5 p.m. EST Thursday, April 22, after this issue of Inside IMCA went to press. Based in Poway, Calif., SFI is a non-profit organization that issues and administers standards for high performance equipment. Following an April 1 hearing in U.S. District Court in Indianapolis, SFI and Impact issued a joint press release stating that products made and sold during the 2009 and 2010 production years would not be decertified and that no counterfeit labels or patches were used during that time. The only SFI-rated safety equipment required for use in IMCA sanctioned events are firesuits and safety harnesses. IMCA's general counsel will continue to follow up on the representation made by SFI and Impact in their joint press releases. IMCA continues to be committed to racer safety and will continue to press Impact and SFI to publish and implement procedures so racers can continue to be protected.

04-27-2010, 08:41 PM	#107
Rick Blake Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SW FLORIDA Posts: 208 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Impact Racing ^^^^^^^^ and your point is what....??????? What you just posted has absolutely nothing to do with my post....??????? __________________ Rick Blake 2395 SG, SC, SP

04-28-2010, 07:08 AM	#109
rallye bob Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Genoa, Illinois Posts: 489 Likes: 9 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Impact Racing What pisses me off is, now Impact wants the customer (me) to do all their leg work.... WUWT? "You will have to provide a proof of purchase" HOW MANY OF YOU SAVE ALL YOUR P.O.P. for years???? 4/27/10 PASS TECH INSPECTION!! GET YOUR DATE OF MANUFACTURE FORMS - CALL IMPACT TODAY. Attention Racers: In regards to our current situation with SFI, we understand that some racers may have trouble passing tech inspections with Impact Racing safety equipment. To remedy this inconvenience, Impact Racing can provide you with a Date of Manufacture Verification form for products purchased in 2009 and 2010 only. If you call the Impact Racing office at 317-852-3067 you can obtain this form from any one of our sales associates. You will have to provide a proof of purchase. Please check with your sanctioning body to see if this form will allow you to pass tech and race at your event. Any racers with products purchased prior to 2009 can call Impact to order new product at a discounted rate. Last edited by rallye bob; 04-28-2010 at 07:11 AM.

04-28-2010, 07:17 AM	#110
Floyd Gomez Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 275 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Impact Racing Here is what I don't get. Impact says that they will sell you a replacement at a discounted rate. However SFI states that after June 22 2010 All products will decertify and Imapct will be out of the SFI program. So if you give Impact more money you get to use the new product for 2 months and then you will have ot go out and buy new stuff again from another vendor? How stupid do these people think we are?