Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock?

442OLDS · 04-05-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I know that in that weather my car was MAYBE a .90 under car.So why bother to waste a whole lot of travel money to make 2-3 time shots and then sit it out?

I will ask the same questions of you that you asked of me.Why are you so slow?
Don't you work on your car?

( I know you have a tough combo to race especially in bad air)
(Just messing with you)

Mike Carr · 04-05-2010, 10:20 PM

The correct option isn't listed in the poll.

3) "All Class Winners, plus Low ET Qualifiers, to make 128 car field".

The only way Indy should EVER be all run is if 128, or less, cars show up. Otherwise, it's a glorified National Open with Class run-offs.

junior barns · 04-05-2010, 11:08 PM

I can qualify and have many times in the past BUT will never go to that dog and pony show again!!!

All you nuts can have it

bill dedman · 04-06-2010, 01:15 AM

Since I have NO dog in that hunt, nobody can accuse me of trying to feather my nest, but with that in mind, I am curious as to what the reason is for disallowing cars that cannot make the 128-car qualified field.

In fact, if it's such an honor to participate because your car is fast enough to hold one of the top 128 slots, using that thinking, why not just revert to the once-protocol and make it a requirement that you win your class to run the Eliminator.

We might find out just how fast some of these cars REALLY are, then. Couldn't have THAT, now, could we????

But, seriously, who does it make uncomfortable to have an "all run" policy in Stock Eliminator at Indy on Labor Day? I knew a guy who wouldn't go because he knew he couldn't qualify, and his car was arguably the quickest car in his divisiion in a VERY popular (lotsa cars) class.

His index was tougher than the others' and he was screwed....

Those people deserve to race if they've spent the money and have the grade points.

Once again, whom does it hurt, if it's an all-run format?

Just askin'....

X-TECH MAN · 04-06-2010, 06:51 AM

[QUOTE=bill dedman;

Those people deserve to race if they've spent the money and have the grade points.

Once again, whom does it hurt, if it's an all-run format?

Just askin'....[/QUOTE]

The people with BIG money and even BIGGER EGO's. They just cant stand it when someone with a .5 or so under car beats them and cry like a baby.

Evan Smith · 04-06-2010, 07:07 AM

It doesn't hurt anyone if you don't mind an extra round of eliminations. So, why don't we just give everyone a trophy and call it a day.

It's called competition, and that's why many of us race. There is something special about making the field at Indy. I have enough trouble going two rounds, no less eight. Sure there are plenty of hard-working racers who don't run very far under the index, but anyone can build any combination, so if you want to qualify at Indy build a combo that goes deep under the index, just like Bob Shaw does. That is not a knock on Shaw, he is obviously smart, he likes to qualify well, and he finds combos that allow him to do so.

Evan

Mike Voth · 04-06-2010, 12:53 PM

The real question is...

It took -0.900 to make the Indy field last year in both Stock and Super Stock. Even after losing three tenths off the indexes...I'll bet it'll still take -0.900 to make the field this year!! (I guess that was more of a statement, than question)

THE LEGEND · 04-06-2010, 01:27 PM

Stock is BRacket racing with rules. and if you think it's not the same that would explain why you don't win.
Chip Johnson

Dick Butler · 04-08-2010, 01:00 PM

Ah Yes, Everyone "deserves" to run. Think about it! Shouldnt there be reasons to work on a car? shouldnt we reward achievement? Should we dumb it down to Bracket racing altogether? Maybe there should be a punishment for having a FAST car and pay the slow cars so they can participate better.....
I agree with the vote better where Racers only should vote.... Us retired guys are obviously for the OLDE days..

Michael Beard · 04-08-2010, 06:28 PM

What's "Indy" got to do with it? Stock is a 128-car qualified field at ALL events, even Divisional races. I don't see why Indy should be any different than any other race. And yes, I qualified at the E-Town FMDRS (that dates it right there!) with 141 cars in Stock.

Only Nitro Joe can ladder that many cars. LOL Man, everybody did an incredible job keeping things organized and smooth-running at the US Class Nationals at Byron all those years ago.

Class winner bump-ins are a separate discussion, which we'll leave to another thread.

RE: AHFS factoring... Pffff! I went to Indy a couple years ago, and those were some of the worst and slowest conditions I've ever experienced. If you can tag it at *that* race, you *deserve* some HP!

Just my $.02,

View Poll Results: Should Indy Be All Run Field In Stock?
ONLY 128 Fastest Cars under index	133	66.50%
ALL RUN FIELD	67	33.50%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

04-05-2010, 10:20 PM	#2
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? The correct option isn't listed in the poll. 3) "All Class Winners, plus Low ET Qualifiers, to make 128 car field". The only way Indy should EVER be all run is if 128, or less, cars show up. Otherwise, it's a glorified National Open with Class run-offs. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

04-05-2010, 11:08 PM	#3
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? I can qualify and have many times in the past BUT will never go to that dog and pony show again!!! All you nuts can have it

04-06-2010, 01:15 AM	#4
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? Since I have NO dog in that hunt, nobody can accuse me of trying to feather my nest, but with that in mind, I am curious as to what the reason is for disallowing cars that cannot make the 128-car qualified field. In fact, if it's such an honor to participate because your car is fast enough to hold one of the top 128 slots, using that thinking, why not just revert to the once-protocol and make it a requirement that you win your class to run the Eliminator. We might find out just how fast some of these cars REALLY are, then. Couldn't have THAT, now, could we???? But, seriously, who does it make uncomfortable to have an "all run" policy in Stock Eliminator at Indy on Labor Day? I knew a guy who wouldn't go because he knew he couldn't qualify, and his car was arguably the quickest car in his divisiion in a VERY popular (lotsa cars) class. His index was tougher than the others' and he was screwed.... Those people deserve to race if they've spent the money and have the grade points. Once again, whom does it hurt, if it's an all-run format? Just askin'.... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 04-06-2010 at 01:18 AM.

04-06-2010, 06:51 AM	#5
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? [QUOTE=bill dedman; Those people deserve to race if they've spent the money and have the grade points. Once again, whom does it hurt, if it's an all-run format? Just askin'....[/QUOTE] The people with BIG money and even BIGGER EGO's. They just cant stand it when someone with a .5 or so under car beats them and cry like a baby.

04-06-2010, 07:07 AM	#6
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? It doesn't hurt anyone if you don't mind an extra round of eliminations. So, why don't we just give everyone a trophy and call it a day. It's called competition, and that's why many of us race. There is something special about making the field at Indy. I have enough trouble going two rounds, no less eight. Sure there are plenty of hard-working racers who don't run very far under the index, but anyone can build any combination, so if you want to qualify at Indy build a combo that goes deep under the index, just like Bob Shaw does. That is not a knock on Shaw, he is obviously smart, he likes to qualify well, and he finds combos that allow him to do so. Evan __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

04-06-2010, 12:53 PM	#7
Mike Voth Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Buhler, KS Posts: 527 Likes: 5 Liked 57 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? The real question is... It took -0.900 to make the Indy field last year in both Stock and Super Stock. Even after losing three tenths off the indexes...I'll bet it'll still take -0.900 to make the field this year!! (I guess that was more of a statement, than question) __________________ Mike Voth 5189 GTN - 5188 GTO Voth Racing

04-06-2010, 01:27 PM	#8
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? Stock is BRacket racing with rules. and if you think it's not the same that would explain why you don't win. Chip Johnson

04-08-2010, 01:00 PM	#9
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? Ah Yes, Everyone "deserves" to run. Think about it! Shouldnt there be reasons to work on a car? shouldnt we reward achievement? Should we dumb it down to Bracket racing altogether? Maybe there should be a punishment for having a FAST car and pay the slow cars so they can participate better..... I agree with the vote better where Racers only should vote.... Us retired guys are obviously for the OLDE days.. Last edited by Dick Butler; 04-08-2010 at 02:23 PM.

04-08-2010, 06:28 PM	#10
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock? What's "Indy" got to do with it? Stock is a 128-car qualified field at ALL events, even Divisional races. I don't see why Indy should be any different than any other race. And yes, I qualified at the E-Town FMDRS (that dates it right there!) with 141 cars in Stock. Only Nitro Joe can ladder that many cars. LOL Man, everybody did an incredible job keeping things organized and smooth-running at the US Class Nationals at Byron all those years ago. Class winner bump-ins are a separate discussion, which we'll leave to another thread. RE: AHFS factoring... Pffff! I went to Indy a couple years ago, and those were some of the worst and slowest conditions I've ever experienced. If you can tag it at that race, you deserve some HP! Just my $.02, __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS