Proposal for Old Cars in Stock

Jeff Teuton · 04-01-2010, 03:08 PM

I proposed accepting the 68 Dart/Cuda Hemi cars in Stock. The specs are in the book for the last 42 years, the parts are still available, the hp factor is about right using the specs in the guide and you could add weight and get to AA/S or AA/SA. 9 inch tires, springs, stock mounts, original seats (they still around), no tubs, like stock is. The cam is smaller than the 64/65 car. The current factor is about 7.1 lbs/hp.

How about the Viper with an automatic (or at least in SS). The chevys got any trans they can think of (stick or manual), and we all know there are some questionable combos that have auto's that maybe didn't.

Salvation for some of the Darts/Cudas that are now out of SS/AH, and the Viper has never been run because of the trans in drag racing.. Who knows, maybe these cars (and I'm sure there some FoMoCo and Bowtie stuff) that might run with the new cars.

Ed Fernandez · 04-01-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

I proposed accepting the 68 Dart/Cuda Hemi cars in Stock. The specs are in the book for the last 42 years, the parts are still available, the hp factor is about right using the specs in the guide and you could add weight and get to AA/S or AA/SA. 9 inch tires, springs, stock mounts, original seats (they still around), no tubs, like stock is. The cam is smaller than the 64/65 car. The current factor is about 7.1 lbs/hp.

How about the Viper with an automatic (or at least in SS). The chevys got any trans they can think of (stick or manual), and we all know there are some questionable combos that have auto's that maybe didn't.

Salvation for some of the Darts/Cudas that are now out of SS/AH, and the Viper has never been run because of the trans in drag racing.. Who knows, maybe these cars (and I'm sure there some FoMoCo and Bowtie stuff) that might run with the new cars.

Sounds like the fox guarding the hen house.
Let's divert attention from the bogus hp on the new cars by fudging the HP on some old
combos that wouldn't fit into stock if you submitted it to a committee of deaf,dumb and blind committee members.
I have no sympathy for someone who has a real or cloned Hemi car.Gee after all who would buy an old heapike that.
And yeah,untub them and put them in stock.But hey,they have so much HP that the rule has to be changed to let them run a 10 1/2" tire.How fast could they run on them.Uhh look how fast cars go in the 10 1/2" tire class.
And what the hell let's include the Viper with an auto.Just another rule change.
All to cover up an H car in the mid tens and Mustangs with 9.40 or faster potential.
Let's go for it.Another nail in the coffin.
On the other hand Jeff might just be funning us due to the date on the calender.:>)

Chad Rhodes · 04-01-2010, 03:48 PM

how about we get NHRA to defactor the 2006 Z06 to about 415. then let's play ball in AA/S

denny harvey · 04-01-2010, 03:54 PM

that will never happen chad,GM is not the official truck of the nhra anymore...would be sweet though.

Chad Rhodes · 04-01-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by denny harvey

that will never happen chad,GM is not the official truck of the nhra anymore...would be sweet though.

yes it would. I visions of titanium valves, rods, CNC'd heads and Dry Sump systems dancing in my head, lol. Too bad it will never happen

X-TECH MAN · 04-01-2010, 04:34 PM

[QUOTE=Jeff Teuton;179187]I proposed accepting the 68 Dart/Cuda Hemi cars in Stock. The specs are in the book for the last 42 years, the parts are still available, the hp factor is about right using the specs in the guide and you could add weight and get to AA/S or AA/SA. 9 inch tires, springs, stock mounts, original seats (they still around), no tubs, like stock is. The cam is smaller than the 64/65 car. The current factor is about 7.1 lbs/hp.

Salvation for some of the Darts/Cudas that are now out of SS/AH,

Id like to see this. IHRA's AA/S is a 7.0 wt breakk class. Another 1/2 lb per HP (213 lbs if rated at 425 HP) wouldnt be all that bad to carry for NHRA. The SS/AH class as it is now is completely out of hand unless you are a multi millionaire with a big ego. They would be quick no doubt even with the added wt. and smaller cam. It would be like 1968 all over again and be a good match for the 64 T-Bolts like Calverts. The new blown Ford Mustangs would still out run them though until the AHFS catches up (yeah right). Remember that the 'Cudas and Darts ran mid 10's on old technology 10 1/2 tires and the 9" tires are way better today. Of course you could use the 10.5 tire in IHRA. Most ran a flat tappet ISKY .505 cam for S/S when they were new cars and the current (B.S. stocker rules in the cam, lifter, and spring dept) is way ahead of 1968 technology. Whats the big deal? Stock isnt stock anymore anyway. Jeff if I was still with IHRA I would try to "GET-R-DONE". Neat idea even if it was an April 1st joke or not.

Fred Holdorf · 04-01-2010, 05:57 PM

As long as we are at it, I'd like to run a 1957 Supercharged Ford, with a C4, Blue Thunder alum heads & intake, beehive valve springs, superceded Novi supercharger, etc. Oh well I can dream can't I? Fred

Mark Callanan · 04-01-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Sounds like the fox guarding the hen house.
Let's divert attention from the bogus hp on the new cars by fudging the HP on some old
combos that wouldn't fit into stock if you submitted it to a committee of deaf,dumb and blind committee members.
I have no sympathy for someone who has a real or cloned Hemi car.Gee after all who would buy an old heapike that.
And yeah,untub them and put them in stock.But hey,they have so much HP that the rule has to be changed to let them run a 10 1/2" tire.How fast could they run on them.Uhh look how fast cars go in the 10 1/2" tire class.
And what the hell let's include the Viper with an auto.Just another rule change.
All to cover up an H car in the mid tens and Mustangs with 9.40 or faster potential.
Let's go for it.Another nail in the coffin.
On the other hand Jeff might just be funning us due to the date on the calender.:>)

Ed very well said
The cover up part is spot on
Mr teuton the best thing you can do is be quiet and be glad NHRA let you pervert the class....

treessavoy · 04-01-2010, 06:18 PM

Let's say they lower the numbers to 5.0 and up, then I can build that '65 aluminum 427 Cobra I've wanted to drag race......anybody got a spare million?

JimR

Jeff Teuton · 04-01-2010, 08:47 PM

Mark, you obviously don't know me. Keeping quiet is not one of my atributes. Perverting what class?

04-01-2010, 03:08 PM	#1
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Proposal for Old Cars in Stock I proposed accepting the 68 Dart/Cuda Hemi cars in Stock. The specs are in the book for the last 42 years, the parts are still available, the hp factor is about right using the specs in the guide and you could add weight and get to AA/S or AA/SA. 9 inch tires, springs, stock mounts, original seats (they still around), no tubs, like stock is. The cam is smaller than the 64/65 car. The current factor is about 7.1 lbs/hp. How about the Viper with an automatic (or at least in SS). The chevys got any trans they can think of (stick or manual), and we all know there are some questionable combos that have auto's that maybe didn't. Salvation for some of the Darts/Cudas that are now out of SS/AH, and the Viper has never been run because of the trans in drag racing.. Who knows, maybe these cars (and I'm sure there some FoMoCo and Bowtie stuff) that might run with the new cars. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

04-01-2010, 03:48 PM	#3
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Proposal for Old Cars in Stock how about we get NHRA to defactor the 2006 Z06 to about 415. then let's play ball in AA/S __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

04-01-2010, 03:54 PM	#4
denny harvey Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: pataskala ohio Posts: 132 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Proposal for Old Cars in Stock that will never happen chad,GM is not the official truck of the nhra anymore...would be sweet though.

04-01-2010, 04:34 PM	#6
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Proposal for Old Cars in Stock [QUOTE=Jeff Teuton;179187]I proposed accepting the 68 Dart/Cuda Hemi cars in Stock. The specs are in the book for the last 42 years, the parts are still available, the hp factor is about right using the specs in the guide and you could add weight and get to AA/S or AA/SA. 9 inch tires, springs, stock mounts, original seats (they still around), no tubs, like stock is. The cam is smaller than the 64/65 car. The current factor is about 7.1 lbs/hp. Salvation for some of the Darts/Cudas that are now out of SS/AH, Id like to see this. IHRA's AA/S is a 7.0 wt breakk class. Another 1/2 lb per HP (213 lbs if rated at 425 HP) wouldnt be all that bad to carry for NHRA. The SS/AH class as it is now is completely out of hand unless you are a multi millionaire with a big ego. They would be quick no doubt even with the added wt. and smaller cam. It would be like 1968 all over again and be a good match for the 64 T-Bolts like Calverts. The new blown Ford Mustangs would still out run them though until the AHFS catches up (yeah right). Remember that the 'Cudas and Darts ran mid 10's on old technology 10 1/2 tires and the 9" tires are way better today. Of course you could use the 10.5 tire in IHRA. Most ran a flat tappet ISKY .505 cam for S/S when they were new cars and the current (B.S. stocker rules in the cam, lifter, and spring dept) is way ahead of 1968 technology. Whats the big deal? Stock isnt stock anymore anyway. Jeff if I was still with IHRA I would try to "GET-R-DONE". Neat idea even if it was an April 1st joke or not. Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 04-01-2010 at 06:26 PM.

04-01-2010, 05:57 PM	#7
Fred Holdorf Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Minden, Nv Posts: 44 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Proposal for Old Cars in Stock As long as we are at it, I'd like to run a 1957 Supercharged Ford, with a C4, Blue Thunder alum heads & intake, beehive valve springs, superceded Novi supercharger, etc. Oh well I can dream can't I? Fred

04-01-2010, 06:18 PM	#9
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Proposal for Old Cars in Stock Let's say they lower the numbers to 5.0 and up, then I can build that '65 aluminum 427 Cobra I've wanted to drag race......anybody got a spare million? JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

04-01-2010, 08:47 PM	#10
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Proposal for Old Cars in Stock Mark, you obviously don't know me. Keeping quiet is not one of my atributes. Perverting what class? __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK