Phoenix Nat'l Racers Please Respond

[scomp5612]

I was there with my super comp car and my son racing a super gas roadster.The track was as bad as it looked There was a narrow groove that you really couldnt see.If you got a half a tire out of it you were in for a wild ride.There is also a rut in the track that my son found and went sideways but saved it.The rut steers you out of the groove.There were many wrecks and and alot of near wrecks.I couldnt belive they just kept sending cars down the track.The bad news is we are going back down to finish the race this weekend and run the div race.Hopefully weather will be warmer.

[herbjr]

Anyone who goes back and crashes you realize its not the tracks fault. Its your fault for going. I hope no one wrecks or tears anything up but if they do they can only hope they can look in the mirror at who to blame. My son wouldnt go down a track like that.

Herb Jr

[aspen7709]

this is all well and good....Dont go there,dont race, dont do this or that but when it comes to it we still go.Why? Because "cheap" charlie is the only national/divisional game in town.Yes we get tucson but it is only a div race and not alot of people go especially spectators.We dont have IHRA and other good tracks are at least 300 miles away.Speed world is good but it is 2 hours from my house each way and it is a "local " track.It will NEVER host a national or get a divisional again.the national open had 9 cars????I am goin to the divisional, why because I need points and that is the only div I can hit close.Hell my shop is trying to get a vendor booth and we cant even get a return phone call! yeah it sucks but anybody else got a better idea???? i am all ears!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by aspen7709

this is all well and good....Dont go there,dont race, dont do this or that but when it comes to it we still go.Why? Because "cheap" charlie is the only national/divisional game in town.Yes we get tucson but it is only a div race and not alot of people go especially spectators.We dont have IHRA and other good tracks are at least 300 miles away.Speed world is good but it is 2 hours from my house each way and it is a "local " track.It will NEVER host a national or get a divisional again.the national open had 9 cars????I am goin to the divisional, why because I need points and that is the only div I can hit close.Hell my shop is trying to get a vendor booth and we cant even get a return phone call! yeah it sucks but anybody else got a better idea???? i am all ears!

So having a good chance of you or someone in the other lane smacking you because you say the owner doesn't give two $hits doesn't deter you from going there?
I'd like to see how long it would take you to dial Dirt bag & Dirt bag Esq. to setup a law suit,if you survive.
We had a situation at Atco a few years ago where the winds were brutal.I don't know for sure who was the lead motivator,NHRA,Joe Sway or the racers,but elims were
postponed to Mon after I believe trying 1/8 mile.I heard some guys bitching and moaning.
Their decision to wait was fine with me.I guess by human nature there will always be those who can't be satisfied.
Some track owners and racing orgs. depend on people who think like you to keep up with their schemes to stay in business..

[aspen7709]

You still did not give me a solution other than stay home. Ed I can drive across your state quicker than I can get to either alternative track. Yes firebird is a toilet but it is still safer than a public highway.I choose to race stock because I like it same as you. They only race it at firebird. it is not like drinkin beer if you dont like the bar you can go home and drink but I cant race in my driveway! THE WEST NEEDS IHRA!!!!!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by aspen7709

You still did not give me a solution other than stay home. Ed I can drive across your state quicker than I can get to either alternative track. Yes firebird is a toilet but it is still safer than a public highway.I choose to race stock because I like it same as you. They only race it at firebird. it is not like drinkin beer if you dont like the bar you can go home and drink but I cant race in my driveway! THE WEST NEEDS IHRA!!!!!

I agree with you 100%,but why would you put yourself in peril for one race?I'm sure you go to other races in your division.If it was me I'd find a way to attend another race or
just race one less race for the year.
There's plenty of races but you only have one life.
Is the owner that bad?It's Charlie Allen isn't it?Pressure on NHRA for him to improve safety or lose the race seems like the solution.Maybe it's time for an insurrection in your division by those affected by his inaction to make improvements.

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Originally Posted by aspen7709

You still did not give me a solution other than stay home. Ed I can drive across your state quicker than I can get to either alternative track. Yes firebird is a toilet but it is still safer than a public highway.I choose to race stock because I like it same as you. They only race it at firebird. it is not like drinkin beer if you dont like the bar you can go home and drink but I cant race in my driveway! THE WEST NEEDS IHRA!!!!!

If all you're after is the point, pay go thru tech and leave.No sense bending up your stuff, not the best plan but one solution. Joe

[Bryan Worner]

Aspen, some of the Interstates here in PA would make a better racing surface than Phoenix!!! Someone needs to suggest the owner spend some of his money and repave the racing surface to make it safe!

Ed, the problem there is the track, not the weather! And if they were trying to use their new, cheaper, traction compound in cool weather, we all know what a disaster that can be!

[Mike Graham]

The track was fine when it wasn't covered in water. Can't blame that on NHRA

[MattConte]

Originally Posted by Pat Cook

Sounds like Charlie needs to spend some money on the place

LOL!!!!! never happen. This place has had problems like this, just not as bad, sense when I raced out there in the 80s and in the mid 90s. Speedworld has always been better. I remember when they use to do the Div 7 opener out at Speedworld in Wittman Az. I remember talking to out of town racers back then who raced at firebird the week before at the Nats. They all would say how much better it was racing at Speedworld. That was the mid 90s. I was bummed when the Opener moved to Firebird.
Matt