How the factory "Package" cars may save Stock

[hemidup]

To answer your question. The Drag Pak engine is set back 1 1/2". However, once you purchase your show room floor Challenger, you can go back to the parts department and buy yourself any part that is offered on the DP. You can buy a DP K frame and put it in your new Challenger along with a carbon fiber hood to boot. There's an A/SA Challenger thats fully street legal. That Challenger has a VIN and a title whereas the DP's are just a serial number. What would be the difference?

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Indyracer

This thread amazes me.
If you're not careful, all your 1963-1973 S/SS cars will be stuck racing at nothing but Goodguys events for no money, no recognition, and no fans, at 6 events a year.

We're already racing for no money, no recognition, and no fans. At $200 to $300 per event. We have NHRA to thank for that. And now we have NHRA to thank for a bunch of bogus factored ringers in the class. I guess we're all supposed to be just tickled to be getting it. At least according to you.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by hemidup

To answer your question. The Drag Pak engine is set back 1 1/2". However, once you purchase your show room floor Challenger, you can go back to the parts department and buy yourself any part that is offered on the DP. You can buy a DP K frame and put it in your new Challenger along with a carbon fiber hood to boot. There's an A/SA Challenger thats fully street legal. That Challenger has a VIN and a title whereas the DP's are just a serial number. What would be the difference?

are you really that dense? the DP COMBINATION is what isn't showroom avaialbe, and streetable. It makes no damn difference if the actual car in competition began life as a body in white, a DP, an SRT-8, or a v6

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

No but it was dealer available.....albeit for 1 day till it sold out....

We walked into the dealer filled out the papers they faxed em in and we waited. No different than any other special order car.

No secret handshakes neccesary....contrary to public misperception.....we are nobodys....we got one...I know several other people that not only are nobodys but dont even know what to do with them now that they have them, 1 is going to build a street legal...lights even in the dome and visors...bracket terror...his car his choice, I kind like it.

I think what he was saying is there is NOTHING on the DP car anyone cant walk into a dealer and order from the Parts counter. And a street challenger as you call it can be gutted down and done up just as easy...how many other cars are in stock that had the same type of packages ? Like the RA cars ? Etc..Maybe Im wrong...but I think thats what hes saying....

How is this any different from the Old Stock packages, the Thunderbolts, the Lightweights etc ? Or later Ram Air dealer option packages, etc...It isnt....by 68 it was known as a Package car and they ended up in their own class...

But where does the Thunderbolt run now ?

Obvioulsy the later AFX cars with hilborn etc, started....in stock ?.....until someone...I dont have my refrence material here so I dont want to misquote... saw how they filled the stands....then he said "they can bring those funny cars" Can somone confirm this quote...its been bugging me...

But thats what I was saying about a positive evolution out of what a lot of people are so obviously upset about....look at it instead as an opportunity...to advance racing.

Im not disagreeing...not at all, I just think....I could be wrong I know what he is saying, he also has a Factory "Lightweight" car....sooo

So what if a Dealer builds enough like say 50+ and sells em like the Yenko's.....hell add a super while theyre at it....Id do it if a) I was a dealer and b) Had a spare 5 mil or so....take 10 stash em and those would be my kids "legacy"

Anyone can build one Hell Doug Duell did it BEFORE they were hitting....With the same parts we use....So its not a lack of avaiablity....

Dont flame I understand, but I also think I understand Hemidup

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

are you really that dense? the DP COMBINATION is what isn't showroom avaialbe, and streetable. It makes no damn difference if the actual car in competition began life as a body in white, a DP, an SRT-8, or a v6

[JMatt]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

We're already racing for no money, no recognition, and no fans.

Exactly.

Yet none of you in the inner circle are very open to new people and new cars, are you?

Perhaps we should just cancel Class Racing for good.

It's your choice. What are you going to choose? Let Class Racing die with the old guard? Or try to revive it with new blood?

(oh - and I didn't suggest what you should or shouldn't like.)

[Jim Bailey]

Thanks Chad ! Now let's talk about the Rear End, and the Rear, as well as the Front suspension. Let's compair it to what the Corvette "STOCKER" Guys have had to go through. JB

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

The rule is clear and the car follows it 100%

It uses the STOCK Spring location,

It uses the STOCK Shock mounts.

Only the Upper 2 have Heims and are adjustable..

Just like the rulez says....

Can the Vettes use the Stock Shock Mounts, and the Stock Spring Mounts for their setup ?

You want my business or NOT ?!?! ....lol......

I couldnt resist, I did get your PM, Im just in the hospital however with my son....so.....but cool. Ill touch base next week.

The front ? Whats different, ? I can drop on a set of stock struts....and back and forth...?

Cheers

Chris

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey

Thanks Chad ! Now let's talk about the Rear End, and the Rear, as well as the Front suspension. Let's compair it to what the Corvette "STOCKER" Guys have had to go through. JB

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Indyracer

Exactly.

Yet none of you in the inner circle are very open to new people and new cars, are you?

Perhaps we should just cancel Class Racing for good.

It's your choice. What are you going to choose? Let Class Racing die with the old guard? Or try to revive it with new blood?

(oh - and I didn't suggest what you should or shouldn't like.)

I'm not "in the inner circle". I'm not at all opposed to new people or new cars. I don't think anyone else is either. I'm opposed to having ringers with bogus factors dumped into the class that no existing cars are even close to being able to run with.

I suppose you think everyone in the classes these new cars are in should just enjoy getting blown off the track by cars that belong in Super Stock instead of Stock. Somehow that seems to be a really high price for those people to pay to get a few new cars and new faces in the class. A guy who has been racing for years, working on his combination for all that time, investing a lot of money, should just bend over and take it, so new cars can be added?

Because what you're saying is everyone who has a car that runs A or AA that isn't a new Cobra Jet or Drag Pack car should just accept the fact that they don't even have a prayer, and they should be the ones to pay the price for having "new blood". Think about it.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey

Thanks Chad ! Now let's talk about the Rear End, and the Rear, as well as the Front suspension. Let's compair it to what the Corvette "STOCKER" Guys have had to go through. JB

watch it with the vettes, we've got two of em, lol. But yes putting a straight axle in a vette is a nightmare to meet what NHRA wants.

[dwydendorf]

And again the Drama continues with the same people complaining about how the Drag Pack Challengers and the Cobra Jet Mustangs are ruining Stock Eliminator by just being in the same Eliminator. It is ironic how they have Brand loyality written all over their posts yet they continue to complain about how Stock is ruined because these cars are allowed to race. It is not the 1960's and the rules have evolved to allow the Car manufacturers to build something other than what used to be allowed. EPA and Safety standards don't allow things to be the same as what the Manufacturers can do or not do in todays world, yet some racers fail to admit that. Now imagine that, the rules in Stock have somehow changed. If I remember right back in the 1960's you were required to have 7 inch wide tires, and they better not be a quarter of an inch wider, or you were out. I remember Mufflers and pipes hanging, stock brakes, valve springs with stock tension, camshafts with stock duration, no electric water pump drives, no jerico four speeds, no Metric 200 transmissions, etc. How many of you would like to go back to those rules? Times have changed, rules have changed and like it or not, Stock has evolved into what we have today. The problem is not that the Cobra Jet Mustangs and Drag pack Challengers are racing in Stock but that the Automatic Horsepower Factoring System doesnt work like it should and hasn't for a long time. Most of the compaints about the Mustangs and Challengers don't even affect the guys complaining , because they don't race at Indy at the U.S. Nationals, the one race where it may really make a difference, running for the class trophy. If you just run the points meets and an occasional National event, are you really losing races because of the unfair horsepower factor these cars have? " Oh but wait, I may have to possibly run one at a points meet, heads up,and that is an unfair advantage." Welcome to the twenty- first century.