Fat arse stock car drivers

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

What happens when the DP gets enough horsepower to be in AA only?

Normally,when you are substantially over the minimun weight for your class,you drop down.If you can't drop down from AA,you would be at a disadvantage racing another AA if you weren't at the minimum weight.

Bill (Daryl?), the 2008 blown Cobra Jets are that way after they received HP for a air of -1.40+ under hits this year (one each for the stick at Dinwiddie and the automatic at Vegas). They are rated at 439 now, and break at 7.38. They are permitted to carry extra weight to make AA, but can not make A now. I believe even though a car (like the CJ) breaks higher than the highest Stock class (AA), it is permitted to carry weight to make AA. Travis Miller or someone could probably help on this matter.

[Rod Greene]

I was at a meeting with NHRA run by Bernie Partridge in late early 70's at the old Ontario Motor Speedway. There were a lot of Stock and Super Stock guys there Steve Steele , Norm Nevin, Marcel Cloutier, Richie Pauley (I just remember the Ford guys for some reason). We discussed the driver weight issue. Obviously there was a wide range of driver sizes at that meeting. I think we were asking for 200 lbs but ballast wasn't legal back then except for the "oversized spare tires" some of us ran. I think Bernie said how about 170 most everyone said better than nothing and shortly after it was implemented. That is how I remember it.
We also raced the cars at shipping weight not at a minimum weight for class.

[Rory McNeil]

[QUOTE=Rod Greene;
We also raced the cars at shipping weight not at a minimum weight for class.[/QUOTE]
Back when you had to run the actual shipping weight for a certain model, isn`t that why there were so many oddball combos like station Wagons, 4 door sedans and hardtops, plus the changing of body & interior trim (Belair to BelAir, to Impala etc), in order to build a combo that "fit" closer to the top of a given class? Being in Div.6, I recall that Cal Method and the Taylor & MacNicol team must have had just about every possible 66 full size Chev bodystyle and trim package available! In the early-mid 70`s, a guy I hung out with switched from a 65 Biscayne 2 dr sedan in SS/KA with a 325HP 396, to a 65 Impala wagon, which fit near the top of SS/OA, and ran quite strongly with it.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Bill (Daryl?), the 2008 blown Cobra Jets are that way after they received HP for a air of -1.40+ under hits this year (one each for the stick at Dinwiddie and the automatic at Vegas). They are rated at 439 now, and break at 7.38. They are permitted to carry extra weight to make AA, but can not make A now. I believe even though a car (like the CJ) breaks higher than the highest Stock class (AA), it is permitted to carry weight to make AA. Travis Miller or someone could probably help on this matter.

Thats correct Mike. You should be a tech guy.....you have been doing a great job at explaining these questions.

[442OLDS]

Will a 2008 CJ be able to get to about 3465 without a jockey for a driver?

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Thats correct Mike. You should be a tech guy.....you have been doing a great job at explaining these questions.

Terry, I think a modern tech person needs paid in Rolaids and Tylenol. LOL. I'll pass, after hearing all the fun stories at Indy and other places. I'll stick with being a race promoter and online part-time wanna-be tech guru. Maybe I'll even un-retire for this coming season and drive again.

[69Cobra]

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

Why would it not be car+170 = race weight no matter what?

So this is correct then?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Twould appear 100% correct.....hence I was 100% wrong

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

So this is correct then?

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

So this is correct then?

Yes, 170 is added. Factory shipping weight/NHRA or factory HP = the weight break for the car, used to determine it's natural class. Using my 2009 DragPack Challenger example from earlier. 3,100 pound shipping weight, divided by NHRA rating of 390 = 7.95. Making it a natural AA/S car (AA = cars with weight/HP of 7.50-7.99). You can adjust weight to a car to 1) move to the top of it's natural class 2) add weight to drop one class from it's natural class 3) remove weight to move up one class from the natural class. To get to the top of AA/SA with a Challenger, 7.5 x 390 + 170 (driver weight) = 3,095 minimum weight, with driver, across the scales as a AA/SA.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Yes, 170 is added. Factory shipping weight/NHRA or factory HP = the weight break for the car, used to determine it's natural class. Using my 2009 DragPack Challenger example from earlier. 3,100 pound shipping weight, divided by NHRA rating of 390 = 7.95. Making it a natural AA/S car (AA = cars with weight/HP of 7.50-7.99). You can adjust weight to a car to 1) move to the top of it's natural class 2) add weight to drop one class from it's natural class 3) remove weight to move up one class from the natural class. To get to the top of AA/SA with a Challenger, 7.5 x 390 + 170 (driver weight) = 3,095 minimum weight, with driver, across the scales as a AA/SA.

Forgetting about the weight of ANY driver,could you even get a DP Challenger down to 3095?