Fat arse stock car drivers

[Bobby Fazio]

Originally Posted by drooze

Wow I think my Christmas Tree weighs more

HAHAHHAA thanks..

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Nothing personal I felt bad after I said that, I thought, maybe he takes his weight and being in appropriate shape ....well....It was meant in fun....but not to make fun. I just couldnt resist

Originally Posted by SStock1373

HAHAHHAA thanks..

[Bobby Fazio]

I thought it was hysterical. I'm probably the smallest driver in SS. Definitely the most handsome though.

[Brandon Peterson]

Im a 6'7 big foot..during this last season i tipped the scales at a hoss 337 now im down to 293.....i will have to add about 25 IBS to the stocker next year if i stay where im at, but the super stocker i would have to lose 300 IBS to add weight to it lol......i need to get with mike so ican get my muscle back i had in high school when i played football.

[Duane Eiskant II]

you big guys may start to give us small guys a complex LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[bill dedman]

Well, here's the anecdote 4-4-2Olds referred to, earlier.

In the '60s, the cars were weighed to ensure that the required weight was adhered to.
My car had a required weight weight of 3,105, (B/G coupe; 9 pounds per cubic inch/345-inch Olds) and brother, it didn't race that class, if it weighed 3,104.

I weighed 220... our "go-fer" wanted to drive it (he was 98 pounds, and was 16) so we all laughed and let him. He ran a tenth quicker than I had ever run, on his first pass.... We had a new driver!

This was back in the dark ages, so don't laugh too loud.

I had a good friend who had a KILLER "A Street Roadster." This was about the time that Judy Lilly was becoming well-known (about a hundred pounds.)

Unfortunately, the guy who built and drove the Street Roadster weighed about 350...

As it has been stated, the car was weighed, and if it was the correct weight, that was it; you could put a 400 pound driver in there (costing yourself about .4-sec) or, a 9-pound trained mongoose... your choice.

I did some rudimentary math, and put it in a letter to National Dragster regarding how much performance BIG people were losing on this deal by NHRA not weighing the driver and the car, together. I pointed out how much quicker my friend's roadster would be with Judy Lilly driving it, compared with him. It was something like 3+ car-lengths.

Bill Holland (I think he runs a company called "Holland Comunications," now) was the editor of National Dragster at the time (probably around 1973, or so???) and he printed my letter. His "editorial response" was one of comic-outrage, and feigned disbelief; he wanted to know how it would be possible to police weighing the drivers with the car, and asked in mock-sincerity, "Should we weigh these drivers in their Jockey shorts, or fully-clothed?"

In short he ridiculed the idea within an inch of its life, (probably at he behest of some NHRA Druid,).in an attempt to make it look like it had come from an inmate at Bellevue, in the last stages of dimentia... It was very clear that NHRA did NOT want to deal with this issue.

But, I wasn't laughing...

I don't remember the time that elapsed, but it wasn't long after that that a bunch of "big-guy" NHRA Pro Stock drivers demanded that NHRA start including driver weights with the cars.
I don't know how they got it done, but, they did. I have heard that "Dyno" Don Nicholson was one of the motivating forces behind that action.

Not long after that, NHRA started weighing everybody with the cars, and came up with the "shipping weight + 170 pounds" for cars classsified by advertised (or, factored) horsepower and shipping weights.

That was a long time ago; maybe 1974-'75.

Never have heard a word from Mr. Holland, to this day... lol!
To be fair, he was, like Adolf Eichmann, probably just following orders... LOL!!!

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Awesome, and excellent as I was wondering what the history on this was.

Thanks

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Well, here's the anecdote 4-4-2Olds referred to, earlier.

In the '60s, the cars were weighed to ensure that the required weight was adhered to.
My car had a required weight weight of 3,105, (B/G coupe; 9 pounds per cubic inch/345-inch Olds) and brother, it didn't race that class, if it weighed 3,104.

I weighed 220... our "go-fer" wanted to drive it (he was 98 pounds, and was 16) so we all laughed and let him. He ran a tenth quicker than I had ever run, on his first pass.... We had a new driver!

This was back in the dark ages, so don't laugh too loud.

I had a good friend who had a KILLER "A Street Roadster." This was about the time that Judy Lilly was becoming well-known (about a hundred pounds.)

Unfortunately, the guy who built and drove the Street Roadster weighed about 350...

As it has been stated, the car was weighed, and if it was the correct weight, that was it; you could put a 400 pound driver in there (costing yourself about .4-sec) or, a 9-pound trained mongoose... your choice.

I did some rudimentary math, and put it in a letter to National Dragster regarding how much performance BIG people were losing on this deal by NHRA not weighing the driver and the car, together. I pointed out how much quicker my friend's roadster would be with Judy Lilly driving it, compared with him. It was something like 3+ car-lengths.

Bill Holland (I think he runs a company called "Holland Comunications," now) was the editor of National Dragster at the time (probably around 1973, or so???) and he printed my letter. His "editorial response" was one of comic-outrage, and feigned disbelief; he wanted to know how it would be possible to police weighing the drivers with the car, and asked in mock-sincerity, "Should we weigh these drivers in their Jockey shorts, or fully-clothed?"

In short he ridiculed the idea within an inch of its life, (probably at he behest of some NHRA Druid,).in an attempt to make it look like it had come from an inmate at Bellevue, in the last stages of dimentia... It was very clear that NHRA did NOT want to deal with this issue.

But, I wasn't laughing...

I don't remember the time that elapsed, but it wasn't long after that that a bunch of "big-guy" NHRA Pro Stock drivers demanded that NHRA start including driver weights with the cars.
I don't know how they got it done, but, they did. I have heard that "Dyno" Don Nicholson was one of the motivating forces behind that action.

Not long after that, NHRA started weighing everybody with the cars, and came up with the "shipping weight + 170 pounds" for cars classsified by advertised (or, factored) horsepower and shipping weights.

That was a long time ago; maybe 1974-'75.

Never have heard a word from Mr. Holland, to this day... lol!
To be fair, he was, like Adolf Eichmann, probably just following orders... LOL!!!

[bill dedman]

Well, the bottom line was (for the cars that were pounds-per-cu.-in.), the fat guys (like me) finally got a fair shake.... It helped the guys with Stockrs and S/S cars, too....

SOME changes are good....

[69Cobra]

So if a car has to weigh 3200 + 170 for a driver then the race weight is 3370 right? So if a driver weighs 300 the race weight is still 3370?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

The ACTUAL weight would be 3500...... against a 170lb driver in same combo, he would be 3370

Thats what Im saying, it dosent seem right , and especially when its not even the US national average, in 1974 , it probably was that was 35 YEARS Ago ...... average height was lower too.

At least adjust it, I would think after 30+ years of adaptive growth that would be reasonable.

So the next question is what is the approptiate (or most effective) petition method to see it put before the rules comitte ? Gotta be one....

Originally Posted by 69Cobra

So if a car has to weigh 3200 + 170 for a driver then the race weight is 3370 right? So if a driver weighs 300 the race weight is still 3370?