Heads up races

danny waters sr · 12-17-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by danny waters sr

IHRA sportsnationals are heads-up in stock and superstock. If you have someone in same class you can go fast as you want to for the win with no break out. Has always been like this and as far as i know it will stay like that.

Also forgot to mention that all IHRA div races are heads up in same class as well.

Jimi B · 12-17-2009, 03:14 PM

Yes, I know its head up if you run someone in your own class, but I was interested in all heads up eliminators (handicapped per your index anyway).

Ed Wright · 12-17-2009, 03:59 PM

Heads up usually means leaving at the same time, right?
Your talking about handicap starts, but no break outs?

danny waters sr · 12-17-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimi B

Yes, I know its head up if you run someone in your own class, but I was interested in all heads up eliminators (handicapped per your index anyway).

What would be the point in doing that ? Just wondering .

Harry 6674 · 12-17-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by danny waters sr

What would be the point in doing that ? Just wondering .

Thats the way it was when we ran off the records. Thats the way it should be now. The rally racers used to have to reach the finish at a precribed time, not so in real drag racing.

Ed Wright · 12-17-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry 6674

Thats the way it was when we ran off the records. Thats the way it should be now. The rally racers used to have to reach the finish at a precribed time, not so in real drag racing.

When we ran off of records, more than 1/10th under was a break out. The records were stiff enough there was not near as much of it as we see now. Final round at national events was no break out, but if you ran under that was your new record.

Here in Div 4, qualifying at our points races is usually that way. Everybody is handicapped off their indexes, which also gives us some practice for eliminations. It's interesting.

Harry 6674 · 12-17-2009, 06:14 PM

During the 70s when we started running off indexes was when the sandbagging really started because of easy index numbers. Running off the records meant if you couldn't set the record you didn't lift. I couldn't set records so I run it all out. Once in a while the record holders would back out some to keep from lowering the record and you could sneek by.

art leong · 12-17-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry 6674

During the 70s when we started running off indexes was when the sandbagging really started because of easy index numbers. Running off the records meant if you couldn't set the record you didn't lift. I couldn't set records so I run it all out. Once in a while the record holders would back out some to keep from lowering the record and you could sneek by.

Those years remember people going the Suffolk Va. To set records in classes they wouldn't run in during the season. Do a body switch or a cam change. So the competition would have a tuff go of it. It was worst then than comp is now with the cic. a lot of stuff went on back then. Sandbagging isn't a new thing.
When they went to the indexes it got rid of a lot of the sandbagging. But some of the soft combos dominated.
That was real racing. If only NHRA would have properly torn down the faster cars (there was a big discrepancy division to division). And kept up with factoring.
It would have keep costs down. How much can a valve job and a shave cost? But the racers screwed that up.

Myron Piatek · 12-17-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimi B

Yes, I know its head up if you run someone in your own class, but I was interested in all heads up eliminators (handicapped per your index anyway).

Sounds like Comp Eliminator. The further under your index ($$$) you can run, the better the odds of winning. Not a sportsman-friendly concept.
Usually more $ = more wins. "Driving" ability, while always a factor, is reduced considerably. I believe some of the older guys here said it was tried, but with unfavorable results in the '70's.

Jimi B · 12-17-2009, 04:54 PM

Not that we need to get in to semantics here, but I suppose no break out racing would be better terminology. And yes, like comp. There is a lot of talk about how its not really worth trying to get records, qualify well etc. It would be nice to encourage/reward racers that are spending time dialing in there setups.

12-17-2009, 03:14 PM	#2
Jimi B Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Heads up races Yes, I know its head up if you run someone in your own class, but I was interested in all heads up eliminators (handicapped per your index anyway).

12-17-2009, 03:59 PM	#3
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Heads up races Heads up usually means leaving at the same time, right? Your talking about handicap starts, but no break outs? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-17-2009, 06:14 PM	#7
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Heads up races During the 70s when we started running off indexes was when the sandbagging really started because of easy index numbers. Running off the records meant if you couldn't set the record you didn't lift. I couldn't set records so I run it all out. Once in a while the record holders would back out some to keep from lowering the record and you could sneek by.

12-17-2009, 04:54 PM	#10
Jimi B Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Heads up races Not that we need to get in to semantics here, but I suppose no break out racing would be better terminology. And yes, like comp. There is a lot of talk about how its not really worth trying to get records, qualify well etc. It would be nice to encourage/reward racers that are spending time dialing in there setups.