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Old 12-15-2009, 03:28 PM   #1
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I guess I fail to follow your logic. Let's say they do lower the indexes by 3 tenths. Then next year at Indy somebody qualifies 140th (dead last) at -0.06. Then he goes to the very next national event and wins it. What's changed? (Besides the fields being smaller.) Would you want to lower the indexes another 3 tenths???


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I didn't adequately answer this the other night.

Last question first: No, just two. NHRA has already said you can't set a record or win class if you're not 5 under. They'll gladly take your money though. Why else for the double standard? Lower them .5 then.
Remember, it's a performance eliminator. We must retain heads up runs in the eliminator,at all cost.

Toby asked; what's the difference in my scenario. The difference is , Mr -.06 won't be able to win an eliminator, as well he shouldn't.

Will lowering the indexes reduce car counts? Don't know. No way to measure it, as they're already losing cars. I doubt it will though. Most cars can run 5 under with a little tune up. Maybe it will stimulate the industry a little.

Anyway, if they do raise the triggers, it certainly benefit the new cars from Ford and Chrysler. Coincidence? I doubt that ,too.
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Old 12-15-2009, 03:39 PM   #2
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Mark, I just did the math. Moving the indexes hurts WAY more people than changing the trigger helps!
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Has anyone seen the 3 thenths reduction anywhere in black and white yet?
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I was told by NHRA at the PRI show that there would be a .3 reduction and it would be up on the web site Tuesday.
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I was told by NHRA at the PRI show that there would be a .3 reduction and it would be up on the web site Tuesday.
Its Tuesday....been looking and havent seen a thing yet.
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Mark, I just did the math. Moving the indexes hurts WAY more people than changing the trigger helps!
Billy, I doubt that you can go by those figures. The guys at the bottom are showing us what they got, and it ain't much, in most cases.
Meanwhile, the guys at the top are protecting their combos. Can't say I blame them. That's the system we currently have.
Take a look at the top 10 at the recent Vegas ( altitude) vs. Pomona .
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:37 PM   #7
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Just heard from a very reliable source they can't/haven't got it
all figured out in Calif. Haven't even been keeping up with all
the runs since they took it away from 'old reliable'.(Trying to
save money so they could give it to the higher ups, I guess).
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Toby asked; what's the difference in my scenario. The difference is , Mr -.06 won't be able to win an eliminator, as well he shouldn't.

I don't think you understood my post. If you lower the indexes 3 tenths. Then somebody (not necessarily Mr. -0.06 from last year), can run -0.06 at Indy next year and win the next national.

If Mr. -0.06 just happens to pick up 3 tenths from last year and runs -0.06 at Indy next year with the lowered indexes he could possibly win the next national event, right?

You could lower the indexes again and again and again, but there will always be somebody that could be -0.06 and not qualify at Indy and win the next eliminator. Follow me?

So what has changed then?


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I don't think you understood my post. If you lower the indexes 3 tenths. Then somebody (not necessarily Mr. -0.06 from last year), can run -0.06 at Indy this year and win the next national.

If Mr. -0.06 just happens to pick up 3 tenths from last year and runs -0.06 at Indy this year with the lowered indexes he could possibly win the next national event, right?

You could lower the indexes again and again and again, but there will always be somebody that could be -0.06 and not qualify at Indy and win the next eliminator. Follow me?

So what has changed then?


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The -.06 under guy picks up three tenths. That's awesome, he should be congratulated.

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The -.06 under guy picks up three tenths. That's awesome, he should be congratulated.

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Yes, he should, but lowering the indexes doesn't prevent the scenario that Mark has described from happening again and again.


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