Black Tuesday?

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by 7423

I have watched Steve Wann run Super Gas with his Super Stocker. None of the S/G guys cared. If they did not delete classes at nationals, that would not happen........

Charlie-

Until they stop allowing stockers to enter superstock. Filling the fields before some poor sap with a superstocker could enter, then you're right, no reason, based on your example. I just think that when a "legal" stocker can run eight tenths under in superstock, there's a problem somewhere. Just my opinion.

BTW, nice meeting you in Pomona.

[7423]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Charlie-

Until they stop allowing stockers to enter superstock. Filling the fields before some poor sap with a superstocker could enter, then you're right, no reason, based on your example. I just think that when a "legal" stocker can run eight tenths under in superstock, there's a problem somewhere. Just my opinion.

BTW, nice meeting you in Pomona.

Valid point about the stocker at .8 under in SS. SOOOOOOOOOO, just give those combos hp, why nail an entire class for a few hot rods that like to show off??
The pleasure was mine meeting you Sean

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by sean cour

it's not about any of your concerns. It's about you taking your stocker and running superstock. It's about the guys running at the bottom with "stock" parts now having to actual purchase performance parts from the dying contingency companies. C'mon toby, it's not a conspiracy against the "brake pedal bandits," it's simply a business decision.

bingo !

[Toby Lang]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

It's not about any of your concerns. It's about you taking your stocker and running superstock.

Well, it looks like it's about your concerns though. Why not just make a rule that says if you have entered a car in Stock this year you can't enter it in Super Stock later or something similar.

It's about the guys running at the bottom with "stock" parts now having to actual purchase performance parts from the dying contingency companies.

Aren't the guys at the bottom the ones you want to run heads-up? What's wrong with people running at the bottom with stock parts? How does it effect you?

C'mon Toby, it's not a conspiracy against the "brake pedal bandits," it's simply a business decision.

Yes, sounds like a good business decision to drive customers away.


-Toby

[7423]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Well, it looks like it's about your concerns though. Why not just make a rule that says if you have entered a car in Stock this year you can't enter it in Super Stock later or something similar.



Aren't the guys at the bottom the ones you want to run heads-up? What's wrong with people running at the bottom with stock parts? How does it effect you?



Yes, sounds like a good business decision to drive customers away.


-Toby

I agree Toby, it would drive me away.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by 7423

I agree Toby, it would drive me away.

Come on , Charlie
You ran .27 under at Pomona.

Take a look at this page, post 5027.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...stock&page=252

170 S/S'ers trying to get into 31 spots. I'm sure there were a few future World Champions on the DNQ list that day. They didn't quit.

I ran the 1978 Orlando points meet ,in June of that year. The only two cars that ran under the index that weekend were myself and the runner-up ,in the final round. Those other guys didn't quit. Woodro Josey was one of them.

I can remember driving to Gainesville (1000 miles) and being second alternate in a 32 car field. I didn't quit then, either.

If you drop out now , you're never going to get that Wally, that doesn't ever go to quitters.

[Mark Yacavone]

Good reasons:

I must have heard this one a hundred times..whenever someone brings up doing away with heads up runs in eliminations : "It's supposed to be a performance based eliminator"


Think about this. A guy can go to Indy and be 180th qualifier (dead last) @ .06 under. He's a full second away from the slowest qualifier.
That same guy can go to the very next National event and win it.

Something's wrong with this picture.

[Big Road]

Do you know what kills me about this .You guys bitch and moan about moving the indexes do you know what stock and super stock is A PERFORMANCE CLASS. if you want to bracket race go to your local track and stop bitching If you want to race nats and divionals make your car faster!!!!!

[Bryan Broaddus]

Yea I don't see any down side to lowering the index. Should be .5 if they want to keep Stockers out of Super Stock but .3 would be a start.

I have to agree this is a performance class and the cars should have to run like it. This should not be a simple bracket class. How many current cars could not run a new index that is -.3 lower.

I don't think it is a money deal either. Everyone used to run under the index with stock cranks, rods and valves before they relaxed the indexes back in '92-'93 or when ever it was.

Heck with all the new rules changes maybe they should think about lowering them .8. That would make it interesting. Certainly see more ice in the lanes and cut out a bunch of sandbaggers. Oh yea one more thing. If you don't run the index you don't qualify.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Big Road

Do you know what kills me about this .You guys bitch and moan about moving the indexes do you know what stock and super stock is A PERFORMANCE CLASS. if you want to bracket race go to your local track and stop bitching If you want to race nats and divionals make your car faster!!!!!

Not even mentioning this huge revision, if Stock and Super Stock are performance based classes, why don't those who feel so strongly push for all "heads-up" runs off of the index?

You know, like Top Stock, first car across the finish line wins?
Your head start comes from the index, no dial ins. First or worst red light.
Now that would be performance based. Anything else is dial in, just that the guys with the slower class cars get shafted because they are the only ones running heads up....