my opinion

Jeff Lee · 12-04-2009, 01:07 AM

A thread about an ugly Dart with an engine that can't compete had over 10,000 hits. That was much more interesting to everybody....I guess.

I was never for the anti-deep staging rule. I'll probably be 50 by the time my car gets done so I may have to follow Don's logic.

Evan Smith · 12-04-2009, 09:19 AM

NHRA has classes for pro-tree racers, there is nothing wrong with the current system in Stock and Super Stock.

Don, what is your gripe with the full-tree? How is it failing you?

Here is why I think it is a bad idea: First, I doubt any stick racer will want to have his or her motor on the chip for seconds at a time, screaming at high rpm, while waiting for a pro-tree.

Sercondly, I've tried it and it is not that great. I raced in Open Comp (chose your dial, pro-tree), races and it is great as long as you are leaving first. When you leave second it is very hard as you are almost always distracted by the car leaving in the other lane. There is a distinct advantage to going first.

If you want a pro-tree then just "block" like most of the successful racers do.

Evan

Dave Ribeiro · 12-04-2009, 09:30 AM

Don,

I see you really must be bored with your other site and you don't like no-names... But those are the rules on this site, this is why its so popular ...
Please, stop trying to change the rules and remember its free, so you don't have to use your real name ... Agree or disagree those are the rules. Your car came out great, sounds ?
I too agree with David F. go super Pro racing and leave rules alone for a while... Lets get them to inforce the ones they have first .... Be careful we don't want this site to end-up the others..... Good luck with the new car...............And leave Ed alone , its Xmas......

Haywood · 12-04-2009, 10:55 AM

Dons old car ran 9.80's and put him in the middle of the field during eliminations. Now his new car runs 9.30's and now he is in the faster half of the field and has to wait to long for the tree to come down because of more slower cars then him and does not want to ruin his converter.
I was never a believer in removing deep staging, but I don't see any of the slower car drivers asking for this change of pro tree so it must be a change that Don wants to have for his personal gain. See you at breakfast Sat. Don. LOL
Jeff Stout
Oh yeah anybody looking for a Ed Quay 85 Monte super stock GT car. Fair price as I don't see the fun anymore in class racing and want to go stock suspension turbo or nitrous racing.

sprnova · 12-04-2009, 05:04 PM

I second what Jeff said. Why fix something that works for everybody but you? 1 Get out and actually make laps in your car instead of having a national event only car. If I recall right last year at the national open you made one hit to qualify then loaded up and went home. Why not stay and PRACTICE. 2 I know you have an adj. button for your trans break. That's good. Why not get under the car and adj the break. There are all kinds of things you can adj. to help your situation. Just get out and do them instead of wasting your time on the computer trying to convince others to change to better you.

Jeff I also know where there is a good working Ed Quay Camaro for sell, top qualifier almost anywhere.

Manny Sousa · 12-04-2009, 05:26 PM

I don't think going to a Pro Tree is going to help one's R/T. In actuallity, it will hinder it, especially a 4 tenths Pro Tree. If you want to allow deep staging with this new setup, then please tell me why it cannot be allowed with the current, full tree setup? The goal in each is to allow the chance for the slow car to have a better light. Also, if a Pro Tree is used, and there is a spot of any significance, the faster car is going to be at a disadvantage. Try it at a Test N Tune session if you don't believe me. The rules are fine how they are.

I think consistently practicing is the only viable option to make one's self better. Of course change is never a bad thing, but if it isn't beneficial to ALL competitor's, it isn't good at all. I get the idea of making a level playing field and I believe the current system is the best way.

Oh, and before anyone suggest's an "instant green" tree, let me just say this would never ever work! I guarantee you the fastest (ie. E/T and MPH, not according to index) car would win every time if they just considered the math and can cover someone at the stripe within a wheatfield...

Just my .02 cents.

Manny Sousa

Haywood · 12-04-2009, 07:03 PM

Any slow car that deep stages also loses rollout and some free ET to be #1 qualifier.

Mike Carr · 12-04-2009, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny Sousa

I don't think going to a Pro Tree is going to help one's R/T. In actuallity, it will hinder it, especially a 4 tenths Pro Tree. If you want to allow deep staging with this new setup, then please tell me why it cannot be allowed with the current, full tree setup? The goal in each is to allow the chance for the slow car to have a better light. Also, if a Pro Tree is used, and there is a spot of any significance, the faster car is going to be at a disadvantage. Try it at a Test N Tune session if you don't believe me. The rules are fine how they are.

I think consistently practicing is the only viable option to make one's self better. Of course change is never a bad thing, but if it isn't beneficial to ALL competitor's, it isn't good at all. I get the idea of making a level playing field and I believe the current system is the best way.

Oh, and before anyone suggest's an "instant green" tree, let me just say this would never ever work! I guarantee you the fastest (ie. E/T and MPH, not according to index) car would win every time if they just considered the math and can cover someone at the stripe within a wheatfield...

Just my .02 cents.

Manny Sousa

Manny, I agree with leaving things alone as they are. But, I have to differ on the last part, about fast cars winning on an Instant Green. 2001 (I think that was the year) there was an Instant Green race at the Division 1 race at Maple Grove. One for Stock, one for Super Stock. Sal Biondo in Andy Boltz's GT/IA won, running mid to high 10's, against much slower cars. Of course, Sal is better than most of us. But it can be done with a slower car. I forget who won Stock, but I think it was Dave Lebrun (C/SA) and Bob Broadbent (F/S) in the final...I could be wrong about those two.

Nitro Joe Jackson · 12-04-2009, 09:43 PM

when are you guys going to learn when Don says something, just let it go, you are arguing with a buzz saw, he is my buddy but I will not debate him in anything cause its like talking to a lawyer, lol.
After a while i feel like Rocky and say "Cut me Mick"

lol

I'm i right Lynn???

12-04-2009, 09:19 AM	#2
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: my opinion NHRA has classes for pro-tree racers, there is nothing wrong with the current system in Stock and Super Stock. Don, what is your gripe with the full-tree? How is it failing you? Here is why I think it is a bad idea: First, I doubt any stick racer will want to have his or her motor on the chip for seconds at a time, screaming at high rpm, while waiting for a pro-tree. Sercondly, I've tried it and it is not that great. I raced in Open Comp (chose your dial, pro-tree), races and it is great as long as you are leaving first. When you leave second it is very hard as you are almost always distracted by the car leaving in the other lane. There is a distinct advantage to going first. If you want a pro-tree then just "block" like most of the successful racers do. Evan __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK Last edited by Evan Smith; 12-04-2009 at 09:21 AM.

12-04-2009, 09:30 AM	#3
Dave Ribeiro VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Williamsburg, Va.---USA Posts: 1,827 Likes: 1,612 Liked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Re: my opinion Don, I see you really must be bored with your other site and you don't like no-names... But those are the rules on this site, this is why its so popular ... Please, stop trying to change the rules and remember its free, so you don't have to use your real name ... Agree or disagree those are the rules. Your car came out great, sounds ? I too agree with David F. go super Pro racing and leave rules alone for a while... Lets get them to inforce the ones they have first .... Be careful we don't want this site to end-up the others..... Good luck with the new car...............And leave Ed alone , its Xmas...... __________________ Dave Ribeiro 1033 STK

12-04-2009, 10:55 AM	#4
Haywood Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: my opinion Dons old car ran 9.80's and put him in the middle of the field during eliminations. Now his new car runs 9.30's and now he is in the faster half of the field and has to wait to long for the tree to come down because of more slower cars then him and does not want to ruin his converter. I was never a believer in removing deep staging, but I don't see any of the slower car drivers asking for this change of pro tree so it must be a change that Don wants to have for his personal gain. See you at breakfast Sat. Don. LOL Jeff Stout Oh yeah anybody looking for a Ed Quay 85 Monte super stock GT car. Fair price as I don't see the fun anymore in class racing and want to go stock suspension turbo or nitrous racing. Last edited by Haywood; 12-04-2009 at 10:57 AM. Reason: more

12-04-2009, 05:04 PM	#5
sprnova Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: my opinion I second what Jeff said. Why fix something that works for everybody but you? 1 Get out and actually make laps in your car instead of having a national event only car. If I recall right last year at the national open you made one hit to qualify then loaded up and went home. Why not stay and PRACTICE. 2 I know you have an adj. button for your trans break. That's good. Why not get under the car and adj the break. There are all kinds of things you can adj. to help your situation. Just get out and do them instead of wasting your time on the computer trying to convince others to change to better you. Jeff I also know where there is a good working Ed Quay Camaro for sell, top qualifier almost anywhere.

12-04-2009, 05:26 PM	#6
Manny Sousa Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 36 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: my opinion I don't think going to a Pro Tree is going to help one's R/T. In actuallity, it will hinder it, especially a 4 tenths Pro Tree. If you want to allow deep staging with this new setup, then please tell me why it cannot be allowed with the current, full tree setup? The goal in each is to allow the chance for the slow car to have a better light. Also, if a Pro Tree is used, and there is a spot of any significance, the faster car is going to be at a disadvantage. Try it at a Test N Tune session if you don't believe me. The rules are fine how they are. I think consistently practicing is the only viable option to make one's self better. Of course change is never a bad thing, but if it isn't beneficial to ALL competitor's, it isn't good at all. I get the idea of making a level playing field and I believe the current system is the best way. Oh, and before anyone suggest's an "instant green" tree, let me just say this would never ever work! I guarantee you the fastest (ie. E/T and MPH, not according to index) car would win every time if they just considered the math and can cover someone at the stripe within a wheatfield... Just my .02 cents. Manny Sousa

12-04-2009, 01:07 AM	#1
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: my opinion A thread about an ugly Dart with an engine that can't compete had over 10,000 hits. That was much more interesting to everybody....I guess. I was never for the anti-deep staging rule. I'll probably be 50 by the time my car gets done so I may have to follow Don's logic. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX Last edited by Jeff Lee; 12-04-2009 at 01:10 AM.

12-04-2009, 07:03 PM	#7
Haywood Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: my opinion Any slow car that deep stages also loses rollout and some free ET to be #1 qualifier.

12-04-2009, 09:43 PM	#9
Nitro Joe Jackson VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Loudonville, Ohio or where ever the Nitro Lounge is parked Posts: 2,293 Likes: 58 Liked 67 Times in 19 Posts	Re: my opinion when are you guys going to learn when Don says something, just let it go, you are arguing with a buzz saw, he is my buddy but I will not debate him in anything cause its like talking to a lawyer, lol. After a while i feel like Rocky and say "Cut me Mick" lol I'm i right Lynn??? __________________ Nitro Joe Jackson STK 3431 nitrojoe@neo.rr.com