Economy vs. Economics - Page 2

X-TECH MAN · 11-17-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Lyons

I say we start a petition to elect Pat Joffrion for chairman of the board at NHRA! I'll be the first to sign it!

I second it. Never met the man but hear many good things about him.

njk53 · 11-17-2009, 10:16 AM

Pat, you couldn't have stated it any better. As far as sportsman racer, we all have an income range that allows us to participate in NHRA events. Some have higher incomes, some lower. When prices are raised, there will be racers at the bottom of that income range who decides it is no longer economically worth their time, money, and effort to participate in NHRA events. They will go elsewhere to race, reduce their racing schedules, or quit all together. When the prices are lower, you not only keep that group of people racing, you attract new racers because it is now economically viable for them to join and race in the NHRA.

The NHRA has to start from within. They need to cut internal operating costs which includes wages. In turn they can lower all fees associated with racing which will attract more racers.

treessavoy · 11-17-2009, 01:01 PM

Perhaps copies of Mr. Joffroin's analysis should be sent to the NHRA leadership so that they can understand how to actually run a business correctly!

JimR

John Lang · 11-17-2009, 01:49 PM

WHAT EVER PAT SAID, X-------100"s, But then again they have never listened , why would they start now ?
What Pat and the others said, I agree with and hope someone in GLENDORA gets off thier butts and does something soon !
I just hope I live long enough to see it , and still be Racing.......Later John

Michael Beard · 11-17-2009, 02:00 PM

I had let my NHRA membership go for several years, and just joined again last summer. I signed up for two years at the time. Then, they jacked the fees, and because of this, when my membership is up, it will lapse once again.

Ironically, when trying to listen to the Audiocast this weekend, the login told me that my membership was expired, even though it's good til next August. Wow... "how to make friends and influence people"...

We need more Pat Joffrions.

Jack McCarthy · 11-17-2009, 02:30 PM

pat you cost me paying my membership at your place...
if you didnt have the best damn race ever (killer sportsnationals) i would not have paid my membership !

anyway i seriously think its time to form a new organization... and i will be the first to send my $150 to the new group... i personally think pat would be the best person to be president / ceo / czar whatever and i think we could muster enough support from fed up racers / track owners / techmen to pull it off. you cant fix stupid and that is what we are trying to do with nhra.

jack mccarthy

and ill be there again for your race pat... just tell me when !

hell its only 800-900 miles !

Jeff Colvert · 11-17-2009, 02:37 PM

Chairman heck, I'll vote Pat for President!! Sack of Mud Bugs in every pot. Thanks Pat for looking out for our sport & drivers.

Jeff Colvert SS/G 4456

Urraco · 11-17-2009, 10:30 PM

If NHRA cared about the little guys it would be different, but they dont.

Ed Fernandez · 11-17-2009, 10:38 PM

Hey,what happened to Mark's post??????????????????????????

Casey Miles · 11-18-2009, 10:01 AM

In these harsh economic times even the big bracket races that take place down here in Florida are taking a beating. When I first moved down here (1992), the 5 Day at Moroso had about 370 to 390 cars if I recall correctly, this year there about 130 cars. Some of the lost car count has to do with the track operation but most of it is from the economy. Immoc Winter Warm up had something like 70 to 80 cars and Gmp had somewhere around 120 cars. This should be sending a message to NHRA and IHRA that they can't keep operating as they did and that they should take into consideration that not everyone has the deep pockets that used to prevail. I'm repeating myself in past posts, that I looked at the lousey $10 (from $150 to $160) increase in the entry fee for a D2 race, which made me make a decision that I will not attend a D2 race until they start lower the entry fees.
The entry fee for the D2 races should also support a much more lucritive purse for the racers also. Pay $160 to win a $1000, (can't include decals) is crazy when I can pay $40 to win $650 at my local track.
NHRA, WAKE UP!!!

Casey Miles
248H

11-17-2009, 10:16 AM	#12
njk53 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East China, MI Posts: 504 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics Pat, you couldn't have stated it any better. As far as sportsman racer, we all have an income range that allows us to participate in NHRA events. Some have higher incomes, some lower. When prices are raised, there will be racers at the bottom of that income range who decides it is no longer economically worth their time, money, and effort to participate in NHRA events. They will go elsewhere to race, reduce their racing schedules, or quit all together. When the prices are lower, you not only keep that group of people racing, you attract new racers because it is now economically viable for them to join and race in the NHRA. The NHRA has to start from within. They need to cut internal operating costs which includes wages. In turn they can lower all fees associated with racing which will attract more racers. __________________ Nelson Kowal Stock 345 Last edited by njk53; 11-17-2009 at 10:18 AM.

11-17-2009, 01:01 PM	#13
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics Perhaps copies of Mr. Joffroin's analysis should be sent to the NHRA leadership so that they can understand how to actually run a business correctly! JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

11-17-2009, 01:49 PM	#14
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics WHAT EVER PAT SAID, X-------100"s, But then again they have never listened , why would they start now ? What Pat and the others said, I agree with and hope someone in GLENDORA gets off thier butts and does something soon ! I just hope I live long enough to see it , and still be Racing.......Later John __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS

11-17-2009, 02:00 PM	#15
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics I had let my NHRA membership go for several years, and just joined again last summer. I signed up for two years at the time. Then, they jacked the fees, and because of this, when my membership is up, it will lapse once again. Ironically, when trying to listen to the Audiocast this weekend, the login told me that my membership was expired, even though it's good til next August. Wow... "how to make friends and influence people"... We need more Pat Joffrions. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

11-17-2009, 02:30 PM	#16
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics pat you cost me paying my membership at your place... if you didnt have the best damn race ever (killer sportsnationals) i would not have paid my membership ! anyway i seriously think its time to form a new organization... and i will be the first to send my $150 to the new group... i personally think pat would be the best person to be president / ceo / czar whatever and i think we could muster enough support from fed up racers / track owners / techmen to pull it off. you cant fix stupid and that is what we are trying to do with nhra. jack mccarthy and ill be there again for your race pat... just tell me when ! hell its only 800-900 miles ! __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

11-17-2009, 02:37 PM	#17
Jeff Colvert Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkadelphia, AR Posts: 289 Likes: 8 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics Chairman heck, I'll vote Pat for President!! Sack of Mud Bugs in every pot. Thanks Pat for looking out for our sport & drivers. Jeff Colvert SS/G 4456

11-17-2009, 10:30 PM	#18
Urraco Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 66 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics If NHRA cared about the little guys it would be different, but they dont.

11-17-2009, 10:38 PM	#19
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics Hey,what happened to Mark's post?????????????????????????? __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

11-18-2009, 10:01 AM	#20
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 706 Likes: 128 Liked 508 Times in 92 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics In these harsh economic times even the big bracket races that take place down here in Florida are taking a beating. When I first moved down here (1992), the 5 Day at Moroso had about 370 to 390 cars if I recall correctly, this year there about 130 cars. Some of the lost car count has to do with the track operation but most of it is from the economy. Immoc Winter Warm up had something like 70 to 80 cars and Gmp had somewhere around 120 cars. This should be sending a message to NHRA and IHRA that they can't keep operating as they did and that they should take into consideration that not everyone has the deep pockets that used to prevail. I'm repeating myself in past posts, that I looked at the lousey $10 (from $150 to $160) increase in the entry fee for a D2 race, which made me make a decision that I will not attend a D2 race until they start lower the entry fees. The entry fee for the D2 races should also support a much more lucritive purse for the racers also. Pay $160 to win a $1000, (can't include decals) is crazy when I can pay $40 to win $650 at my local track. NHRA, WAKE UP!!! Casey Miles 248H