Toc rescheduled

tim worner · 11-16-2009, 06:21 PM

I'm going to do my part in helping to speed up the race. I'm not going back!!!!

tim worner · 11-16-2009, 06:25 PM

Just took notice that TOC rescheduled on top of Div 1 opener Atco,N.J.. I would think Bryan won"t be going either.

Michael Lyons · 11-17-2009, 06:42 AM

Yes I know chip, how many cars do you think will be there for Saturdays race. Yes the TOC will get done first but the allstars and springnats will most likely run over until monday again based on there being a similar amount of cars for that race. And thus another 6 days off work to start the year. And better be careful there Chip, you sound like a hypocrite when you say you don't want to travel for the other shootout. lol
Which raises another question, why do they have the larger payout races in NC? If you're from out of state you lose 4% of the prize money before you even get it! Why does NC deserve a piece of the prize money, they extort and prosecute their own, just ask the Binghams. By the time you make two trips to NC, pay NC taxes and then ultimately ones own state and federal taxes at the end of the year, you'd be lucky to net $6000 of the original $10,000!! Am I the only one who sees this? I mean is that why they moved the Moser shootout after only one year? 4% of $22,500 is an unpleasant hit. Especially after you already did a split.

BlueOval Ralph · 11-17-2009, 07:59 AM

Why does NC deserve a piece of the prize money, they extort and prosecute their own,

WAKE UP it is just a matter of time before other states do the same thing!! If you earn $$ in NC it is taxed as income which it is! Just like if you were working in Detroit then you would owe Detroit City Income tax!!! Just a sign of the times. If you don't agree with this then just don't go to those states.

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Originally Posted by Michael Lyons

Yes I know chip, how many cars do you think will be there for Saturdays race. Yes the TOC will get done first but the allstars and springnats will most likely run over until monday again based on there being a similar amount of cars for that race. And thus another 6 days off work to start the year. And better be careful there Chip, you sound like a hypocrite when you say you don't want to travel for the other shootout. lol
Which raises another question, why do they have the larger payout races in NC? If you're from out of state you lose 4% of the prize money before you even get it! Why does NC deserve a piece of the prize money, they extort and prosecute their own, just ask the Binghams. By the time you make two trips to NC, pay NC taxes and then ultimately ones own state and federal taxes at the end of the year, you'd be lucky to net $6000 of the original $10,000!! Am I the only one who sees this? I mean is that why they moved the Moser shootout after only one year? 4% of $22,500 is an unpleasant hit. Especially after you already did a split.

Michael Lyons · 11-17-2009, 09:31 AM

I would have never raced in NC again if not for this tournament. And thats my point exactly why have big money races in states that add an additional tax to the ones I will ultimately pay? Isn't that why our forefathers came to this country and had a revolutionary war, because of excessive taxation without representation? As far as I'm concerned all these governments need to go, the ones that triple tax their working taxpayers first! God bless the first and second amendments!

THE LEGEND · 11-17-2009, 10:23 AM

Michael,
Hypocrite is a little harsh don't you think.
I think all the shootouts should be done at one place. Wherever that is I'll go if I'm in. Lets just do it.
Chip

Michael Lyons · 11-17-2009, 11:28 AM

gosh, i said lol...

X-TECH MAN · 11-17-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Lyons

I would have never raced in NC again if not for this tournament. And thats my point exactly why have big money races in states that add an additional tax to the ones I will ultimately pay? Isn't that why our forefathers came to this country and had a revolutionary war, because of excessive taxation without representation? As far as I'm concerned all these governments need to go, the ones that triple tax their working taxpayers first! God bless the first and second amendments!

Especially the 2nd amendment !!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael Beard · 11-17-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Lyons

I mean is that why they moved the Moser shootout after only one year?

When was the Moser Shootout ever in NC? It was at VMP for several years, Norwalk once or twice, and then has been at US131 since.

If I recall, the "out-of-towners" tax is applied to those making more than $1,501, so this would only effect the Pros, the All Stars winner, and the winner of TS or TD.

That being said, YES, taxes are the one thing that sucks about this state. They jacked our sales tax to 7.75% this summer, and raised fees on a bunch of things. Way to go, Ms. Governor.

Michael Lyons · 11-17-2009, 02:27 PM

Actually it was 2001, the first Moser Mania, held at the Rock, Todd Comer won and Danny Waters was runner up. I was shut off next to Danny 2nd round. Then it went to VMP.

11-16-2009, 06:21 PM	#1
tim worner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: duncannon Posts: 837 Likes: 14 Liked 126 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Toc rescheduled I'm going to do my part in helping to speed up the race. I'm not going back!!!! __________________ Tim Worner SS 1747

11-16-2009, 06:25 PM	#2
tim worner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: duncannon Posts: 837 Likes: 14 Liked 126 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Toc rescheduled Just took notice that TOC rescheduled on top of Div 1 opener Atco,N.J.. I would think Bryan won"t be going either. __________________ Tim Worner SS 1747

11-17-2009, 06:42 AM	#3
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Toc rescheduled Yes I know chip, how many cars do you think will be there for Saturdays race. Yes the TOC will get done first but the allstars and springnats will most likely run over until monday again based on there being a similar amount of cars for that race. And thus another 6 days off work to start the year. And better be careful there Chip, you sound like a hypocrite when you say you don't want to travel for the other shootout. lol Which raises another question, why do they have the larger payout races in NC? If you're from out of state you lose 4% of the prize money before you even get it! Why does NC deserve a piece of the prize money, they extort and prosecute their own, just ask the Binghams. By the time you make two trips to NC, pay NC taxes and then ultimately ones own state and federal taxes at the end of the year, you'd be lucky to net $6000 of the original $10,000!! Am I the only one who sees this? I mean is that why they moved the Moser shootout after only one year? 4% of $22,500 is an unpleasant hit. Especially after you already did a split.

11-17-2009, 09:31 AM	#5
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Toc rescheduled I would have never raced in NC again if not for this tournament. And thats my point exactly why have big money races in states that add an additional tax to the ones I will ultimately pay? Isn't that why our forefathers came to this country and had a revolutionary war, because of excessive taxation without representation? As far as I'm concerned all these governments need to go, the ones that triple tax their working taxpayers first! God bless the first and second amendments!

11-17-2009, 10:23 AM	#6
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Toc rescheduled Michael, Hypocrite is a little harsh don't you think. I think all the shootouts should be done at one place. Wherever that is I'll go if I'm in. Lets just do it. Chip

11-17-2009, 11:28 AM	#7
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Toc rescheduled gosh, i said lol...

11-17-2009, 02:27 PM	#10
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Toc rescheduled Actually it was 2001, the first Moser Mania, held at the Rock, Todd Comer won and Danny Waters was runner up. I was shut off next to Danny 2nd round. Then it went to VMP.