questions concerning christmas tree

GarysZ24 · 11-12-2009, 09:56 PM

Bill,

I'm sorry that it took me so long to chime in on this thread (especially once Mr Ed from New Joisey had to remind us about a thread spoken about earlier this year)? I agreed with you then, and I agree with you now...and btw, it didn't take me long to see that what you spoke of makes since, but neither of those Ed's or Alan want to see the logic of yours and Marks logistics, so what can we say??? By the way Mr. Ed (F that is), I DO RACE STOCK, I DO HAVE A CAR, AND THUS I DO HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT, SO THERE!!! DON'T BELIEVE ME, CHECK OUT DRAG RACE CENTRAL (FROM LAST WEEK)!!!

Alan brought up some good points about other issues facing our classes, but as someone else stated earlier, they had nothing to do with the title of this thread "QUESTIONS CONCERNING CHRISTMAS TREE"!

Bill, I know that it's likely hopeless that logic will prevail in this case, but I thought I was hopeless in getting my non-turboed V6 taken out of a class that favored turbo-charged 2.2 Mopars, Quad4 Oldsmobiles, and Aluminum headed V6's (when mine is cast-iron). After years of sending requests to Glendora, and years of them seeing me at the bottom of all the qualifying list, they finally placed my car where it belongs, and last weekends qualifying list (107th out of 122 cars), is proof that what's fair for the goose can be fair for the gander. Let's not give up hope just yet....

Ed Fernandez · 11-12-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Bill,

I'm sorry that it took me so long to chime in on this thread (especially once Mr Ed from New Joisey had to remind us about a thread spoken about earlier this year)? I agreed with you then, and I agree with you now...and btw, it didn't take me long to see that what you spoke of makes since, but neither of those Ed's or Alan want to see the logic of yours and Marks logistics, so what can we say??? By the way Mr. Ed (F that is), I DO RACE STOCK, I DO HAVE A CAR, AND THUS I DO HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT, SO THERE!!! DON'T BELIEVE ME, CHECK OUT DRAG RACE CENTRAL (FROM LAST WEEK)!!!

Alan brought up some good points about other issues facing our classes, but as someone else stated earlier, they had nothing to do with the title of this thread "QUESTIONS CONCERNING CHRISTMAS TREE"!

Bill, I know that it's likely hopeless that logic will prevail in this case, but I thought I was hopeless in getting my non-turboed V6 taken out of a class that favored turbo-charged 2.2 Mopars, Quad4 Oldsmobiles, and Aluminum headed V6's (when mine is cast-iron). After years of sending requests to Glendora, and years of them seeing me at the bottom of all the qualifying list, they finally placed my car where it belongs, and last weekends qualifying list (107th out of 122 cars), is proof that what's fair for the goose can be fair for the gander. Let's not give up hope just yet....

What is it?A chihwawa?At least you race S/SS.I feel the rule has been in effect all this time and I have no problem with it.
I see you were in Vegas and was a contributor to the payees.Coulda taken that $170 or so and went to one of the casinos and thrown it down on red or black.

John Kelley · 11-13-2009, 01:02 PM

ANOTHER RIPOFF !!!

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7511 Ted Seipel .......... 7312 George Stassi
E1 -0.005 11.325 114.31 ...... ****WINNER**** -0.032 10.116 130.42
SS/KA Dial: 11.31 (+/-): 0.015 ...... SS/HA Dial: 10.01 (+/-): 0.106
Qualified: #64 11.283 -0.267 ..... #30 10.012 -0.888

Ouch! Seipel goes red by -0.005 to give the win to Stassi.

Ed Fernandez · 11-13-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by John Kelley

ANOTHER RIPOFF !!!

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7511 Ted Seipel .......... 7312 George Stassi
E1 -0.005 11.325 114.31 ...... ****WINNER**** -0.032 10.116 130.42
SS/KA Dial: 11.31 (+/-): 0.015 ...... SS/HA Dial: 10.01 (+/-): 0.106
Qualified: #64 11.283 -0.267 ..... #30 10.012 -0.888

Ouch! Seipel goes red by -0.005 to give the win to Stassi.

Rip off???????? You're nuts.Must be something in the air in the Texas,Arkansas area.

bill dedman · 11-13-2009, 04:29 PM

If that had been a breakout instead of a red light (with those numbers), the other guy would have won.

Tell me, Ed, why there should be this opposite result for what is basically the same situation?

Show me some of that NEW YAWK "logic" that will explain away this totally different result from one instance wherein the worse infraction gets the loss (breakout), but in the other (first red light) , the worse infraction gets the win.

That's with today's antiquated rules....

I need to hear the NEW YAWK logic of that to understand your comment about Texas/Arkansas...

Signman · 11-13-2009, 04:49 PM

{why there should be this opposite result for what is basically the same situation?}

If you're going to use this logic, do some further analysis adding margin of victory into the equation:

In a double breakout situation was the racer further under his dial and also through the finish line first?
If so the racer broke out first AND broke out by more.
Therefore first and worst.

In the races I have lost on a double breakout I have taken the stripe

K Stubbs · 11-13-2009, 06:24 PM

Lets look at the FACTS; If you are complaining about this rule then, therefore, you must be loosing enough races by redlight to do so, right? Isnt that why you are arguing this point? If so, then you are redlighting too much! Look and see how many times you have lost in a year by redlight and ask yourself if the rule was different, would I have won? If you have to ask yourself that, its too many times. If you are loosing enough races to want this rule changed then you need to fix your problem. There is your legitimate argument.

Ed Fernandez · 11-13-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

If that had been a breakout instead of a red light (with those numbers), the other guy would have won.

Tell me, Ed, why there should be this opposite result for what is basically the same situation?

Show me some of that NEW YAWK "logic" that will explain away this totally different result from one instance wherein the worse infraction gets the loss (breakout), but in the other (first red light) , the worse infraction gets the win.

That's with today's antiquated rules....

I need to hear the NEW YAWK logic of that to understand your comment about Texas/Arkansas...

What K Stubbs said,for starters.If enough S/SS racers wanted the rule changed they would flood NHRA with requests,accompanied by their S/SS comp. number.That would disqualify non competitors and
wannabes.
You Live in Ark. and Mr Kelly lives in Texas,get the connection?You both seem to be obsessive/compulsive on this matter.Maybe some more time at the senior center will cure that.

John Kelley · 11-13-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ed fernandez

what k stubbs said,for starters.if enough s/ss racers wanted the rule changed they would flood nhra with requests,accompanied by their s/ss comp. Number.that would disqualify non competitors and
wannabes.
You live in ark. And mr kelly lives in texas,get the connection?you both seem to be obsessive/compulsive on this matter.maybe some more time at the senior center will cure that.

You don't have a legitimate reason not to change it and make it right so you mount a personal attack ???
So...so Nu Joisy......

GarysZ24 · 11-14-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

What is it?A chihwawa?At least you race S/SS.I feel the rule has been in effect all this time and I have no problem with it.
I see you were in Vegas and was a contributor to the payees.Coulda taken that $170 or so and went to one of the casinos and thrown it down on red or black.

Mr Ed, wow....you've sunk to a new low by insulting my car by calling it a Chihwawa? I hope I get to race you someday, because I'll fondly remember a stocker racer who clicked his car at the 850ft-950ft mark of Bandimere Speedway (circa Mile Highs of '98), and felt he could insult me by coasting across the finish line ahead of me to take the win in the first rnd of elims. I didn't lift, and reeled him back in...I and the fans who watched the whole thing on the former "Winston Vision" screen, witnessed my nipping him accross the stripe, by .003!!! That could be you next time, so let me ask you Mr. Ed...DO YOU WANT TO BE NEXT??? I recall another time people took a swipe at me I won the 1981 Division V Street Eliminator Championship, in a car that makes my current car look like a show car! More recently, how about my false starting in the quarter-finals of the 2007 LODRS D-7 #2 race to Wes McCann and wasting a perfect 15.940 run on a -.013 rt., only to re-race him again two weeks later, and put a package on him that made my "Chihwawa" a 1st rnd winner in a rematch, by .006!!! Given your car hardly has a monster V8 in it, you have "NERVE" calling my car a "CHIHWAWA"!!! Hopefully GOD will smile on my finances in such a way that I'll be able to travel out there to E-TOWN, or to Pa., and play with you D-1 folks....I must say though, I'll really be hoping to line up my little doggie next to your Gremlin and we'll just see who has the biggest bite to follow their bark!!?? I hope to come out there, because knowing you as I do, you'd probably freak-out over having to travel more than 300 miles (one way) to go to a season of drag races---you're safe in D-1!!!

As far as this thread is concerned, although I'm ok too with the way things are, that still doesn't make them right, and what's fair for the Hare (the 2nd car to leave in any kind of handicapped race), should be fair for the Tortoise as well. However, since it likely won't be anytime soon, I'll just revert back to that which produced my '81 Championship...bracket racing to hone up my finish line skills, because as you saw in rnd 1 last week, I didn't "contribute to the payees" due to my starting line performance, it was crossing the line .029 too quickly. I can fix that, and 2010 is the year I plan on doing such!!!

Thanks Ed, you've now given me the appetite of a shark on a feeding frenzy, and I intend on satisfying that hunger!!!

11-12-2009, 09:56 PM	#1
GarysZ24 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Tempe, Az. Posts: 1,284 Likes: 950 Liked 256 Times in 103 Posts	Re: questions concerning christmas tree Bill, I'm sorry that it took me so long to chime in on this thread (especially once Mr Ed from New Joisey had to remind us about a thread spoken about earlier this year)? I agreed with you then, and I agree with you now...and btw, it didn't take me long to see that what you spoke of makes since, but neither of those Ed's or Alan want to see the logic of yours and Marks logistics, so what can we say??? By the way Mr. Ed (F that is), I DO RACE STOCK, I DO HAVE A CAR, AND THUS I DO HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT, SO THERE!!! DON'T BELIEVE ME, CHECK OUT DRAG RACE CENTRAL (FROM LAST WEEK)!!! Alan brought up some good points about other issues facing our classes, but as someone else stated earlier, they had nothing to do with the title of this thread "QUESTIONS CONCERNING CHRISTMAS TREE"! Bill, I know that it's likely hopeless that logic will prevail in this case, but I thought I was hopeless in getting my non-turboed V6 taken out of a class that favored turbo-charged 2.2 Mopars, Quad4 Oldsmobiles, and Aluminum headed V6's (when mine is cast-iron). After years of sending requests to Glendora, and years of them seeing me at the bottom of all the qualifying list, they finally placed my car where it belongs, and last weekends qualifying list (107th out of 122 cars), is proof that what's fair for the goose can be fair for the gander. Let's not give up hope just yet.... __________________ Gary Hampton '86 Z24,173 V6 CF/S #5824 (#78 in 2021)

11-13-2009, 04:29 PM	#5
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: questions concerning christmas tree If that had been a breakout instead of a red light (with those numbers), the other guy would have won. Tell me, Ed, why there should be this opposite result for what is basically the same situation? Show me some of that NEW YAWK "logic" that will explain away this totally different result from one instance wherein the worse infraction gets the loss (breakout), but in the other (first red light) , the worse infraction gets the win. That's with today's antiquated rules.... I need to hear the NEW YAWK logic of that to understand your comment about Texas/Arkansas... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 11-13-2009 at 04:33 PM.

11-13-2009, 06:24 PM	#7
K Stubbs Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Benton, Arkansas Posts: 402 Likes: 0 Liked 20 Times in 3 Posts	Re: questions concerning christmas tree Lets look at the FACTS; If you are complaining about this rule then, therefore, you must be loosing enough races by redlight to do so, right? Isnt that why you are arguing this point? If so, then you are redlighting too much! Look and see how many times you have lost in a year by redlight and ask yourself if the rule was different, would I have won? If you have to ask yourself that, its too many times. If you are loosing enough races to want this rule changed then you need to fix your problem. There is your legitimate argument.

11-13-2009, 01:02 PM	#3
John Kelley Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tightwad,TEXAS Posts: 911 Likes: 6 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: questions concerning christmas tree ANOTHER RIPOFF !!! Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed 7511 Ted Seipel .......... 7312 George Stassi E1 -0.005 11.325 114.31 ...... **WINNER** -0.032 10.116 130.42 SS/KA Dial: 11.31 (+/-): 0.015 ...... SS/HA Dial: 10.01 (+/-): 0.106 Qualified: #64 11.283 -0.267 ..... #30 10.012 -0.888 Ouch! Seipel goes red by -0.005 to give the win to Stassi.

11-13-2009, 04:49 PM	#6
Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: questions concerning christmas tree {why there should be this opposite result for what is basically the same situation?} If you're going to use this logic, do some further analysis adding margin of victory into the equation: In a double breakout situation was the racer further under his dial and also through the finish line first? If so the racer broke out first AND broke out by more. Therefore first and worst. In the races I have lost on a double breakout I have taken the stripe __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given"