Making Aluminum Heads Legal for all SuperStockers

Bob Pagano · 10-07-2009, 03:45 PM

Terry the GM heads have a gm part # I dont know about the fords, if the fords dont then you mite have a case. Also the next question will be can he sell Max heads, or is the market big enough. NSS can run any head so that cuts into that count. I will email and see what kind of response I get.

Mark Callanan · 10-07-2009, 04:11 PM

Is NITROS next??
Come on keep it simple
I know it isnt simple anymore but lets keep it as simple as it can be
This idea isnt a good thig for SS...

Dick Kirkpatrick · 10-07-2009, 05:58 PM

What can be more simple than allowing Edelbrock aluminum replacement heads for all SS cars.

If that were proposed/allowed by n/ihra I am sure Edelbrock would be more than happy to produce the few cylinder heads that are not produced at the present time.

69ss/rs · 10-07-2009, 06:01 PM

Mark Callanan, let's not get dumb.Nobody is saying get away from the basic combination. I don't know if you own a SuperStocker, but with us being able to port and polish intake,exhaust ports, along with the combustion chambers what is the difference than the material the head is made from? Like I said before, sink close to 7500.00 into a good set of iron heads and see what it cost to fix it if one or both get hurt as compared to aluminum. I didn't say change carb,compression or any of the original combo. The aluminum heads usually come with the mods that we pay so much to the Head guys to perform.

Mark Callanan · 10-07-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 69ss/rs

Mark Callanan, let's not get dumb.Nobody is saying get away from the basic combination. I don't know if you own a SuperStocker, but with us being able to port and polish intake,exhaust ports, along with the combustion chambers what is the difference than the material the head is made from? Like I said before, sink close to 7500.00 into a good set of iron heads and see what it cost to fix it if one or both get hurt as compared to aluminum. I didn't say change carb,compression or any of the original combo. The aluminum heads usually come with the mods that we pay so much to the Head guys to perform.

Yeah thats it keep making things better ...
So what do you want next?
How do you want to water down stock / ss racing?
Give us a few ideas???
And as sad as this is 7500 isnt anything for parts for a class engine...( or most parts for one)
It is called step up or find anouther class to race

Jeff Lee · 10-07-2009, 07:25 PM

I agree with allowing aftermarket replacement heads on any Superstock. Heck, probably Stock as well. Reason being is what's good for the goose is good for the gander. That's what grandpa used to say.
If your argument is "you knew what was in the rulebook when you started racing SS" well, no.
At one time you could look through the blueprint or casting numbers and determine if you should or should not build a particular engine. Maybe you found an advantageous set of heads. You build your car. A few years go by and now your competitors, the ones who may have had inferior heads from the factory, now have a "one size fits all" and all of the sudden that lowly go to the grocery store engine is a killer. So why does one segment deserve these wonderful choices and not the other? Who wants to shut the door on the rest of us? That would be those that want to preserve their own advantages (recent advantages I should point out) to retain an un-level playing field or as X-Tech stated, want a corner on a market.
So I'm not even arguing price. High prices are a given in SS (and Stock higher classes). I'm arguing equal opportunity for all. Edelbrock makes heads for almost every brand out there, even the lowly AMC. You can even find aluminum heads for Cadillac.

Casper68 · 10-07-2009, 08:00 PM

Allowing aluminum heads, across the board, would seem to put all of those cast iron head combos at a disadvantage instantly. As previously stated, the aluminum heads will come with many benefits the cast iron heads do not have initially. I do not have a SS, but hope to graduate from Stock eventually. Running and older car, I would not want to see my efforts in developing a combo from '1968 available pieces', next to the same car with new parts.....it would certainly make entry into the class easier, but seems to further distance from anything left in the 'stock' part of the class. Their are plenty of newer alum head class combos, so I would say don't water down the old iron just yet. Just my 2 cents....so, I probably owe ya'll a dollar.

69ss/rs · 10-08-2009, 03:22 AM

Casper 68, that is what I have been saying. If you are planning on making the move in the future from Stock to SuperStock, you are going to have to pay alot of money to upgrade the heads you have now to be competitive. Saying that do you want to take the chance that those heads will not leak,crack or fall apart shortly after you have bolted them on. Or would you rather start with a new fresh set of heads. I have a 69 engine combo, so any heads that I use have to be produced before 70; and when you start welding , grinding and doing what they do on 30 plus year old stuff, you don't know what you will end up with.

X-TECH MAN · 10-07-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

Terry the GM heads have a gm part # I dont know about the fords, if the fords dont then you mite have a case. Also the next question will be can he sell Max heads, or is the market big enough. NSS can run any head so that cuts into that count. I will email and see what kind of response I get.

The Ford Edelbrock heads do not have a factory part number. So what if the GM head does have a number......It is NOTHING like the original Chev. alum heads except for the fact it bolts onto a chevy block. I dont really care if they allow alum replacement heads or not myself but it isnt fair to the other brands and family of engines. The thread was started by someone else and its a proven fact that the alum heads are less expensive to modify, and repair when needed. The guys who complain about the alum heads are mostly those who have a stock pile of OEM cast iron heads for Hi Performance engine combos bought back when they were dirt cheap and are keeping them for themself or selling them off for a rip off price. I was just stating "Food for Thought" as it makes no difference to me one way or the other. Most of the original stuff is 40 + years old and the "Well" went dry a long time ago.

treessavoy · 10-08-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

Terry the GM heads have a gm part # I dont know about the fords, if the fords dont then you mite have a case. Also the next question will be can he sell Max heads, or is the market big enough. NSS can run any head so that cuts into that count. I will email and see what kind of response I get.

Bob,

Mopars answer to this problem should be putting a part no. on Indy heads and then you'll hear the Chevy boy cry foul!

JimR

10-07-2009, 03:45 PM	#1
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 241 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Making Aluminum Heads Legal for all SuperStockers Terry the GM heads have a gm part # I dont know about the fords, if the fords dont then you mite have a case. Also the next question will be can he sell Max heads, or is the market big enough. NSS can run any head so that cuts into that count. I will email and see what kind of response I get. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

10-07-2009, 04:11 PM	#2
Mark Callanan Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: southern maine Posts: 383 Likes: 162 Liked 64 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Making Aluminum Heads Legal for all SuperStockers Is NITROS next?? Come on keep it simple I know it isnt simple anymore but lets keep it as simple as it can be This idea isnt a good thig for SS... __________________ Mark Callanan 1027 STK

10-07-2009, 05:58 PM	#3
Dick Kirkpatrick Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Carlise, Ontario, Canada Posts: 73 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Making Aluminum Heads Legal for all SuperStockers What can be more simple than allowing Edelbrock aluminum replacement heads for all SS cars. If that were proposed/allowed by n/ihra I am sure Edelbrock would be more than happy to produce the few cylinder heads that are not produced at the present time. __________________ Dick Kirkpatrick 3033 SS

10-07-2009, 06:01 PM	#4
69ss/rs Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 82 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Making Aluminum Heads Legal for all SuperStockers Mark Callanan, let's not get dumb.Nobody is saying get away from the basic combination. I don't know if you own a SuperStocker, but with us being able to port and polish intake,exhaust ports, along with the combustion chambers what is the difference than the material the head is made from? Like I said before, sink close to 7500.00 into a good set of iron heads and see what it cost to fix it if one or both get hurt as compared to aluminum. I didn't say change carb,compression or any of the original combo. The aluminum heads usually come with the mods that we pay so much to the Head guys to perform.

10-07-2009, 07:25 PM	#6
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Making Aluminum Heads Legal for all SuperStockers I agree with allowing aftermarket replacement heads on any Superstock. Heck, probably Stock as well. Reason being is what's good for the goose is good for the gander. That's what grandpa used to say. If your argument is "you knew what was in the rulebook when you started racing SS" well, no. At one time you could look through the blueprint or casting numbers and determine if you should or should not build a particular engine. Maybe you found an advantageous set of heads. You build your car. A few years go by and now your competitors, the ones who may have had inferior heads from the factory, now have a "one size fits all" and all of the sudden that lowly go to the grocery store engine is a killer. So why does one segment deserve these wonderful choices and not the other? Who wants to shut the door on the rest of us? That would be those that want to preserve their own advantages (recent advantages I should point out) to retain an un-level playing field or as X-Tech stated, want a corner on a market. So I'm not even arguing price. High prices are a given in SS (and Stock higher classes). I'm arguing equal opportunity for all. Edelbrock makes heads for almost every brand out there, even the lowly AMC. You can even find aluminum heads for Cadillac. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

10-07-2009, 08:00 PM	#7
Casper68 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 44 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Making Aluminum Heads Legal for all SuperStockers Allowing aluminum heads, across the board, would seem to put all of those cast iron head combos at a disadvantage instantly. As previously stated, the aluminum heads will come with many benefits the cast iron heads do not have initially. I do not have a SS, but hope to graduate from Stock eventually. Running and older car, I would not want to see my efforts in developing a combo from '1968 available pieces', next to the same car with new parts.....it would certainly make entry into the class easier, but seems to further distance from anything left in the 'stock' part of the class. Their are plenty of newer alum head class combos, so I would say don't water down the old iron just yet. Just my 2 cents....so, I probably owe ya'll a dollar.

10-08-2009, 03:22 AM	#8
69ss/rs Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 82 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Making Aluminum Heads Legal for all SuperStockers Casper 68, that is what I have been saying. If you are planning on making the move in the future from Stock to SuperStock, you are going to have to pay alot of money to upgrade the heads you have now to be competitive. Saying that do you want to take the chance that those heads will not leak,crack or fall apart shortly after you have bolted them on. Or would you rather start with a new fresh set of heads. I have a 69 engine combo, so any heads that I use have to be produced before 70; and when you start welding , grinding and doing what they do on 30 plus year old stuff, you don't know what you will end up with.