Nitrous and .90 racing

[ItsyBitsySpider]

Dan, I'm glad you don't really talk like you type (no one would ever understand you).
I suggest we all start saving our pennies to buy you a spell check... and don't worry hon, you're a donkey most of the time

Originally Posted by dhmoore

momy i dont want to be a monkey, i want to be a (DONKEY) HAHAHAHAH..how am i doin?????

[Villain281H]

Ed,

Nothing personal; just defending my my fat lazy *** side.
I pose this question: if nitrous is such an unfair advantage in a class where the key is to run your index/dial-in, why isn't EVERY BRACKET RACER USING IT? Maybe because if you dial YOUR car correctly and cut the tree, it doesn't matter what the other guy does. He could whack the gas a dozen times, I'm still driving the stripe the same.
And for the record, I'd be using the spray on a timer to run the 10.90 standard. Funny thing about timers, I hear some index racers use them.

Originally Posted by Michael Pliska

Ed,
That's the way it was explained to me 20+ years ago, but I used my throttle stop override the exact same way (my stop was just activated by a switch on the shifter). Of course the massive speeds in .90 racing today kinda negates that advantage.

Regards,
Michael Pliska

Thank you, we have a winner! Nitrous isn't allowed, but what's to stop you from running a mega-horsepower set-up on the throttle stop til the last 100 feet then go wide open throttle? Nothing in the rules against that, or hitting the override if you "spin", or even running 150+ mph in a class where some guys are going 125-130 like a 10 second car would. But nitrous isn't allowed, and beyond the "possible" hazards of idiots not paying attention to their set-ups, it's an unfair advantage?? Well I guess I just don't "get it" according to Mr. Moore.

I see people warming their race cars up on jacks instead of jack stands. Dangerous, and yes could cause a nasty accident. Have we stopped selling jacks? Fuel burns with a match, but we still sell fuel. Should we punish all b/c of one example?

Dan, I had a small talk with Snakes recently. Since you now know who I am, maybe next time you will consider thinking before typing. I understand everything can be used for good AND bad, but maybe try seeing the "other side" next time instead of being too quick to judge without having ALL THE FACTS.

All in good debate,

Derek

[Villain281H]

Originally Posted by GRIGGS

Come on Derek, just because you drive a nova with a 2.2l ricer engine in it, you don't have to be so mean. If you really wanted to go fast, i'll loan you a couple a hundred horsepower to get your sled movin'.
Mike

Nah, a so-so racer like me would just be wasting my time in a class that seems to not welcome fresh faces, even in the new S/ST Association. Of course, someone could always use a first round duck like me.....

[dhmoore]

ok here it is, .500 pro tree we launch, your out on me because i have a real race car with a 540 ci motor, so i'm on the stop, ( YOU WITH ME SO FAR) ... half track your out 5 car lengths on me.. 900 ft. im going by you (STILL THERE) i start to back in to you at 1100 ft. now i got you, i look for the strip and you hit the bottle i look back at you and your 10ft. in front of me why because you used NOS.. we get the time slips i had a .007 lite you had a .045 lite.. i ran a 10.94 backing in to you, you run a 10.92 with the juice now thats as polite as i can put it.... see you just don't get it...

i love T/S T/D pro mod and all of the other class that let you run the bottle its just not fair in our class to use it

i'm sorry that you got so mad, but your the one with the closed mind, you ask any one about our assn. and they will all tell you i ask every one about something before we make a rule or decision.

[dhmoore]

Oh and you can't fix stupid in the pits

[Villain281H]

Originally Posted by dhmoore

ok here it is, .500 pro tree we launch, your out on me because i have a real race car with a 540 ci motor, so i'm on the stop, ( YOU WITH ME SO FAR) ... half track your out 5 car lengths on me.. 900 ft. im going by you (STILL THERE) i start to back in to you at 1100 ft. now i got you, i look for the strip and you hit the bottle i look back at you and your 10ft. in front of me why because you used NOS.. we get the time slips i had a .007 lite you had a .045 lite.. i ran a 10.94 backing in to you, you run a 10.92 with the juice now thats as polite as i can put it.... see you just don't get it....

Okay, the the lazy *** will try it. Let's see, an .045 light and a 10.92 gets the stripe in front of an .007 light with a 10.94. Um, don't think so, unless your math goes against the simple form of addition.
.045 light and a 10.92(assume with an 0) equals 10.965
.007 light with a 10.94(assume with an 0) equals 10.947.
So you want to explain again how my .045 light and a 10.92 gets there 10 feet in front of your .007 light and a 10.94?

Originally Posted by dhmoore

Oh and you can't fix stupid in the pits

Yep, you said it alright!

How is it I explain my side with examples, but you choose to go back to the "spray to take the stripe" mentality when I said in plain view:

Originally Posted by Villain281H

And for the record, I'd be using the spray on a timer to run the 10.90 standard. Funny thing about timers, I hear some index racers use them.

Choosing to ignore the possibility they are more alike than you think???????

[MacNicol Racing]

Originally Posted by ItsyBitsySpider

Dan, I'm glad you don't really talk like you type (no one would ever understand you).
I suggest we all start saving our pennies to buy you a spell check... and don't worry hon, you're a donkey most of the time

You understand Dan when he's talking? I just look at him smile and nod my head every once and a while.

[ItsyBitsySpider]

Hi Derek
Actually, you're wrong. The Southern 10.90 Outlaw Association welcomes new faces with open arms. But like any good organization we have rules.
No weight Minimum, No nitrous, No illegal electronics to name just a few.

We can debate the nitrous issue until we're blue, but the bottom line is that it is not allowed. Sorry.

We have many heavy and street legal cars racing with us. You would be welcome to join us. (I like feisty people)
May I suggest picking Mike's brain to build a faster engine or saving up and purchasing a turbo system?
(I have a turbo car and there is no better way to boost your hp legally and within budget.)

Hope to see you at the track some time. I test at Gainesville.

[Chris Williams]

Not sure what the whole fight is about here. Nitrous is not legal in a .90 class because of the ability to control it down track. It's not important whether that's the case or not, or whether you can/can't dream up some scenario where that could/couldn't happen. I'm pretty darn sure that's why NHRA doesn't allow it.

But more important is the point that no amount of pissing and moaning about that rule on this forum will change anything. So... get over it, and then get out there and race. In .90 racing, the most important thing is practice, practice, practice. Practice hitting the tree. Practice dialing the number. Practice playing the stripe.

[Villain281H]

Shelley,

I apologize. I meant the comment from my argument on nitrous, but instead in came out negative on multiple angles. I know people have to be happy the Southern 10.90 Outlaw Association was formed (well, at least Mike and Ernie are!), and maybe someday I'll be able to play with the big dogs. My current 383 SBC cost me $9K, and in a 3100 lb car ran 10.60s in good air. But I can't rationalize gutting my car at the moment to get to the S/ST standard. But the next pump gas motor will get me there.

Chris,

I posed this already, and since everyone is avoiding it like that plague, I'll state it again. How is nitrous ON A TIMER different than a throttle stop? What does the throttle stop do? Control the amount of power on the car as you go down the track. What does a nitrous timer do? Somewhat of the same thing. AMS makes a turbo timer that you can adjust for the amount of boost going down the track. Can you hit an override on your throttle stop? I'll say yes if it is set-up that way. I still see similarities here.

If I'm not mistaken, NHRA go rid of nitrous b/c of engine problems (oildowns, etc.). But people can build N/A engines, or even supercharged and turbocharged engines that can expire (despite what the expert Dan Moore thinks) and oil the track.

I'm not pissing or moaning (if it comes off that way, my apologies). I just don't see why limit the potential of a class by a single rule (if I remember correctly, Silver Dollar allowed the bottle until this year. I was excited to go race with them until I heard the rule had been changed for 2009). And last I checked, if you don't agree with something, you have the ability to voice your opinion. If you choose not to say anything and nothing is changed, you have no one to blame but yourself. If you voice your opinion (and maybe even back it up with facts like I have) and nothing gets changed or even considered, then you can take your business elsewhere knowing you tried to have the powers see the other side. Would you continue to pay for something you didn't enjoy, bad service or crappy parts without trying to fix the problem(s)?

Complaining on forum boards doesn't matter? God luck explaining that to the millions that use them for that (and in some cases, people listen and consider a change if the argument has validity).

I'm not trying to single anyone out, create trouble or make a mess. I am presenting and defending the "nitrous side" and hoping some might see it and understand that more racers could participate if it's considered and added with a strict ruling.

Thanks to all for listening.

Derek Putnam