CJ OUT at Indy!!

[Rich Biebel]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Those things make my Firebird look easy. I don't envy them. I pulled the engine this weekend to replace the valve springs.

Man thats a lot of work to change some springs! I changed mine on the car on my '97 and it was not to difficult but they were stocker springs.......If I had SS type springs it would be a lot tougher but I'd find or make a tool to remove them before I pulled the engine.

[bill dedman]

Somebody named "Voth" posted, about Fords, "their racing products have been inferior to GM for many years."

Perhaps you don't remember that when the Pro Stock program (rules) got changed to "all run 500 CID", it was partially because NHRA had grown weary of constantly adding weight to the 351 Cleveland engine during the preceding years, when Pro Stocks were run on a pounds-per cubic inch basis. Before the changeover to 500 cubic inches for everybody occurred, 351 Cleveland engines were required to carry more pounds per cubic inch that any other Pro Stock engine.

During the 1970's, the unprecedented rule that required "Cleveland" engines to carry an EXTRA HALF-POUND PER CUBIC INCH, over and above any other V-8 engine in Modified Eliminator was introduced!

Those canted-valve 351's from Ford had dominated Modfifed Eliminator racing so completely, in the classes they were eligible for, that NHRA added weight to them so the Chevys would have a chance against them. I don't remember how many years that rule was in effect, but there it was...

Maybe you don't remember that, but it happened.

Does that sound like a company whose racing products were "inferior to GM???"

No apologist for Ford, I'm a MoPar guy.... but, facts is facts.

I'll bet Terry remembers it... or, Travis...

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Somebody named "Voth" posted, about Fords, "their racing products have been inferior to GM for many years."

Perhaps you don't remember that when the Pro Stock program (rules) got changed to "all run 500 CID", it was partially because NHRA had grown weary of constantly adding weight to the 351 Cleveland engine during the preceding years, when Pro Stocks were run on a pounds-per cubic inch basis. Before the changeover to 500 cubic inches for everybody occurred, 351 Cleveland engines were required to carry more pounds per cubic inch that any other Pro Stock engine.

During the 1970's, the unprecedented rule that required "Cleveland" engines to carry an EXTRA HALF-POUND PER CUBIC INCH, over and above any other V-8 engine in Modified Eliminator was introduced!

Those canted-valve 351's from Ford had dominated Modfifed Eliminator racing so completely, in the classes they were eligible for, that NHRA added weight to them so the Chevys would have a chance against them. I don't remember how many years that rule was in effect, but there it was...

Maybe you don't remember that, but it happened.

Does that sound like a company whose racing products were "inferior to GM???"

No apologist for Ford, I'm a MoPar guy.... but, facts is facts.

I'll bet Terry remembers it...

What Mr. Voth also doesn't know is that NHRA and NASCAR both added so much weight to the Hemi as to make it totally uncompetitive during the pro stock days because chevy was no longer competitive in the class as with NASCAR. Same with Trans Am setting a 302 cubic inch limit knowing that Mopar was the only manufacturer that DIDN'T make an engine that small.

Today, almost all types of racing today are set up for chevy to have the advantage, Ford has taken the challenge and is doing well, MOPAR no longer has the budget to fight the good fight and Pontiac did well on it's own engines for a while.

JimR

[CycloneFE]

While I may be a Ford fan I wish no ill will on GM or Mopar. Competition is what is great for the sport. One may be dominant for a time but soon the others will catch up.

The bickering going on is good for no one. Following the rules and taking it to the track is the best thing to do. Let's see them all race.

[Mike Voth]

Thank you for the history lesson, gentlemen. Apparently, we have taken a detour from sportsman racing. To clarify, I was referring to the fact that the vast majority of SS cars out there are GM products. Even many ford bodied SG cars have GM powerplants. More specifically, if it were more cost effective, and "easier" to work on a ford, more people would be doing it. As far as NASCAR and PS are concerned, they don't interest me one bit, but I am still well aware of fords past dominance (or current in NASCAR). Didn't mean to lead anyone off topic.

[Rory McNeil]

Mr. Voth, if you have a Jerico in that Monte Carlo, I hope you are aware of what "inferior" OE 4 speed trans it is based on. I also hope that you didn`t sully your car with one of those horrid Ford 9" rearends, either!

[Mike Voth]

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Mr. Voth, if you have a Jerico in that Monte Carlo, I hope you are aware of what "inferior" OE 4 speed trans it is based on. I also hope that you didn`t sully your car with one of those horrid Ford 9" rearends, either!

Touche'!!

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Man thats a lot of work to change some springs! I changed mine on the car on my '97 and it was not to difficult but they were stocker springs.......If I had SS type springs it would be a lot tougher but I'd find or make a tool to remove them before I pulled the engine.

Rich, I have a two post lift at home, and it takes me about 45 minutes to drop it out, or lift the car off the engine and K member. With over 900 lbs open, I'm not strong enough to pull them down without a cheater on the Jessel tool. It won't fit under the cowel. By the time I was done, I was glad it doesn't have 9 cyls.