A couple of Mopar "legality" questions...??

[cudadoug]

What I know about the shaker vs. TA hood deal was that there was a shaker shortage in 71. For a certain period of time, any 71 Chally that was ordered with a shaker, (which UNLIKE 1970 was available on the 340/383/440-4bbl/440-6-bbl or Hemi) it was subbed with a TA hood. Plymouth on the other had didn't seem to suffer the same shortage...

But that was 1971. In 1970, the shaker wasn't available on anything but the 440-6bbl and Hemi cars, so where is the justification that a 70 'Cuda with a shaker-ed 340 or 383 is legal? Or a TA hood on a 70 383 Chally?? Because it was available for the MODEL and YEAR?? Regardless of the motor? So if that logic is applied accross the board, the 6-bbl glass hood should be "legal" on a 69 383 Roadrunner, as it was available for the MODEL and YEAR.

The same argument could be had for the glass hood on a 390 Fairlane I would guess...or for that matter the Dart Hemi hood should be legal on a 340 or 383 68 Dart...

[Jeff Teuton]

Tom, that might be high. Every piece is still available. As far as the 68 with the Hemi scoop, the 383 we run (and everyone else) was available with fresh air pkg in b and e bodies. So whats the problem? If we didn't have to change the fenders and hood back to metal, we would probably do away with the scoop anyway.

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by cudadoug

What I know about the shaker vs. TA hood deal was that there was a shaker shortage in 71. For a certain period of time, any 71 Chally that was ordered with a shaker, (which UNLIKE 1970 was available on the 340/383/440-4bbl/440-6-bbl or Hemi) it was subbed with a TA hood. Plymouth on the other had didn't seem to suffer the same shortage...

But that was 1971. In 1970, the shaker wasn't available on anything but the 440-6bbl and Hemi cars, so where is the justification that a 70 'Cuda with a shaker-ed 340 or 383 is legal? Or a TA hood on a 70 383 Chally?? Because it was available for the MODEL and YEAR?? Regardless of the motor? So if that logic is applied accross the board, the 6-bbl glass hood should be "legal" on a 69 383 Roadrunner, as it was available for the MODEL and YEAR.

The same argument could be had for the glass hood on a 390 Fairlane I would guess...or for that matter the Dart Hemi hood should be legal on a 340 or 383 68 Dart...

If what you say is true about shakers then explain the 1970 Cuda that I ordered and received with a 340, shaker and 4-speed. According to the dealer order form at the time the shaker was available for the 340 and up.

PS never should have gotten rid of it.

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

If what you say is true about shakers then explain the 1970 Cuda that I ordered and received with a 340, shaker and 4-speed. According to the dealer order form at the time the shaker was available for the 340 and up.

PS never should have gotten rid of it.

You are correct.

Reportedly there was another issue with the Challenger Shaker. Not only was there a shortage from the supplier on Challenger shaker assemblies but the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration). The Challenger hood is a full length hood (regardless of application); from front edge to wiper / cowl assembly. The Barracuda or 'Cuda does not extend as far forward as it has a front header panel. In a frontal impact the Barracuda hood has some protection offered by the header panel, the Challenger hood is not protected. On a Challenger hood with a shaker opening there is less material and the hood easily buckles. This can cause the rear of the hood to raise, go through the front windshield and possibly decapitate the front occupants.
For that reason the shaker shortage was directed to the Barracuda when ordered and the T/A hood was used as a fresh air hood when ordered on the Challenger (if Shaker was not available for installation).
Thaqt's my story...I'm stickin' too it!

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

You are correct.

Reportedly there was another issue with the Challenger Shaker. Not only was there a shortage from the supplier on Challenger shaker assemblies but the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration). The Challenger hood is a full length hood (regardless of application); from front edge to wiper / cowl assembly. The Barracuda or 'Cuda does not extend as far forward as it has a front header panel. In a frontal impact the Barracuda hood has some protection offered by the header panel, the Challenger hood is not protected. On a Challenger hood with a shaker opening there is less material and the hood easily buckles. This can cause the rear of the hood to raise, go through the front windshield and possibly decapitate the front occupants.
For that reason the shaker shortage was directed to the Barracuda when ordered and the T/A hood was used as a fresh air hood when ordered on the Challenger (if Shaker was not available for installation).
Thaqt's my story...I'm stickin' too it!

Jeff,

Please give us your AMX since the NHTSA feels the hood makes it unsafe for you. We'll take goo care of it, really.

Has anyone ever seen the factory air cleaner housing for one of these non 6 pack glass hood cars? It would have to be one of the rarest production pieces ever made right? And what about all the Mustangs which have hoods that go to the very front of the car?

[Jeff Teuton]

Herb, bucket seats in a wagon? If they were, it was in the preminum wagon. I assume you are talking about the mid size barge (b body) and not the aircraft carrier (c) body. I do have all the part books back to l960 and I will investigate. Now I'm curious. Anybody anything else while I'm looking? Hemi in a station wagon? In the body illustrations for b bodies in l966, the wagon is a Hemi. But it is not an actual photo.

[Neal Derochie]

Jeff Teuton, since you asked if anybody else had questions i thought i would ask you, I was looking at some old pictures of John Hagan and Judy Lilly's SS/AA cars in 1970, both cars do not have hood scoops, i assume they were top of the line cars for the day, any idea why no hood scoops in 1970, just wondering what the reason may have been.

Thanks Neal

[herbjr]

Jeff a 66 or 67 383 wagon. And yes it did show a Hemi wagon. Lee Smith drove one in super stock in 68. SS/G

[Bill Rolik]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

You are correct.

Reportedly there was another issue with the Challenger Shaker. Not only was there a shortage from the supplier on Challenger shaker assemblies but the NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration). The Challenger hood is a full length hood (regardless of application); from front edge to wiper / cowl assembly. The Barracuda or 'Cuda does not extend as far forward as it has a front header panel. In a frontal impact the Barracuda hood has some protection offered by the header panel, the Challenger hood is not protected. On a Challenger hood with a shaker opening there is less material and the hood easily buckles. This can cause the rear of the hood to raise, go through the front windshield and possibly decapitate the front occupants.
For that reason the shaker shortage was directed to the Barracuda when ordered and the T/A hood was used as a fresh air hood when ordered on the Challenger (if Shaker was not available for installation).
Thaqt's my story...I'm stickin' too it!

Jeff,

Not only that, but 70 Shaker hoods and 71 Shaker hoods structurally are not the same. 71 Shaker hoods incorporate what are referred to as "crush zones" into the stamped inner panel of the hood. Once you lift the hoods of subject cars, the difference is quite obvious. There are also differences in the hood hinges from 70 to 71, and they changed again in 72.

Bill Rolik

SS 1514

[cudadoug]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

If what you say is true about shakers then explain the 1970 Cuda that I ordered and received with a 340, shaker and 4-speed. According to the dealer order form at the time the shaker was available for the 340 and up.

PS never should have gotten rid of it.

Well, I love the internet. A little research turned up this gem:

Beginning on July 29, 1969, the Shaker Hood became available with the 340-ci, 383-ci (335 horse power), and the 440-ci four-barrel engines, including the ...

I guess I should change my handle from cudadoug to "I don't know everything like I thought I did-doug" Or "don't believe everything you're told by the so-called experts-doug".

You sir, seem to be correct. And you are also correct in that you never should have gotten rid of it...

Since a hood post generated so much chatter, I better start another one about bogus heads...JUST KIDDING!

Thanks again guys!