Lack of contingency decals on cars????

Stocker 449 · 07-25-2009, 04:37 PM

I'm guessing there used to be good money in class for all brands. We made a good deal winning class with our Dodge Aspen Wagon the past couple of years, but havent had a chance to see what we can get this year.

The day that we feel we can start winning class in our Max Wedge is the day we might considering placing stickers on the car. I guess people wont consider it a true race car until then...

GarysZ24 · 07-25-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Stocker 449

I'm guessing there used to be good money in class for all brands. We made a good deal winning class with our Dodge Aspen Wagon the past couple of years, but havent had a chance to see what we can get this year.

The day that we feel we can start winning class in our Max Wedge is the day we might considering placing stickers on the car. I guess people wont consider it a true race car until then...

There was good money in class for all brands bud, and if my car was rwd, I could've earned more for a class win than I did/do with my fwd'er. Per your last sentence, as long as you leave me (and Steve) out of that thought from your last statement, you might be right. I however hope someday I'll be back on the circuit in such a way that I can see your Max Wedge "RACE CAR" in action...being that it's a Mopar product I'm sure that Steve would like to see it too!

THE LEGEND · 07-25-2009, 08:17 PM

Gary,
What does you getting beat 3rd rd and your buddy having #54 got to do with Contingency money? There are some people that would rather have a show car than a race car. Like I said in an erlier post it's up to you to decide. One thing I would like you to know. I've been bitten in the ***** before but I can bite back.
Have a good day.
Chip Johnson

Dinsdale · 07-25-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Gary,
What does you getting beat 3rd rd and your buddy having #54 got to do with Contingency money? There are some people that would rather have a show car than a race car. Like I said in an erlier post it's up to you to decide. One thing I would like you to know. I've been bitten in the ***** before but I can bite back.
Have a good day.
Chip Johnson

So, are you suggesting that a nice car can't be a race car. I've seen plenty of beautiful cars that had their looks ruined by TOO many decals. Run them if you want (or must) but just because someone doesn't you seem to be implying that they don't have a "race car". Never seen a decal that would make a car go faster.

I may not be a racer, but my car won 2nd place in the "Drag Car" catagory in the one and only show I will ever put it in. It was part of our club display at a fairly large show. The fact it's run 9.83 @ 136.78 (without decals) means it's a race car to me. No decals now, or ever on my car.

THE LEGEND · 07-26-2009, 08:36 AM

Disdale,
You have a very nice looking and undoubtedly fast car. MY OPINION though you can see it every saturday night down at the Sonic. I really enjoy looking at show cars. I really enjoy watching all cars go down the track. My point being IF YOU EVER WIN A RACE that pays contingency you will regret not having the decals on it when you realize how much money you left on the table.
Chip Johnson

Terry Knott · 07-26-2009, 09:22 AM

Chip asked me at Budds Creek did I want a show car or a race car.I told him I wanted BOTH!!
I never understood the concept of having contingency stickers on a car for a company that doesn't pay,or even LIST for a national/divisional. Why give them the exposure?? Of course I'm pickier than most and my sticker layout was changed EVERY year. I have 8 stickers on my car now...sad...but that's all that's available to me.

Steve Williams · 07-26-2009, 09:30 AM

Chip,

You look at the winners purse and then add about $12,000.00 dollars on top and you have a nice payday. Nice car or not I am putting them on. My friend has won several national events in NHRA and they look at your car for contingency decals late in the day. I remember putting them on the car as late as 10 minutes before the final. If you race alot like you do, you are foolish not to put them on or you can afford to run alot out of your own pocket. I was at Rockingham when you won a div championship and wondered what that day would have paid if it was me, and it was by no means big dollars, but my calculations told me that would have paid for alot the next season. Best part is that the stickers come off if you don't like them. To each persons liking I suppose. But I say Show Me the Money!

Steve

I know that was getting off the thread, but todays contingency deals are lacking. Slow pay or no pay by some ruin it for the other manufacturers that do pay and pay quick (30 days). Ask anyone that races alot and wins occasionally, they can tell you who the deadbeats are. I agree with Terry on non posting manufacturers-no pay no sticker.

THE LEGEND · 07-26-2009, 10:23 AM

Steve,
I agree with You and Terry also. If they don't pay no need to have them on there. One thing nobody has mentioned, IHRA has less contingency this year but at least the ones posting pay in a timely manner. There are decals on my car that don't pay in IHRA but do in NHRA if I ever decide to run over there. There are also a few decals that don't pay contingency but the company was nice enough to discount the parts for me.
Chip

GarysZ24 · 07-27-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Gary,
What does you getting beat 3rd rd and your buddy having #54 got to do with Contingency money? There are some people that would rather have a show car than a race car. Like I said in an erlier post it's up to you to decide. One thing I would like you to know. I've been bitten in the ***** before but I can bite back.
Have a good day.
Chip Johnson

Because you made the comment that people who don't place decals on their cars have probably never "won" a race (not "one" as you stated). My referrence to Steve's wearing the number 54 on his car is because he was the 4th best of all stocker racers in Div. V last year, and w/o his success racing his Savoy, he wouldn't have earned that honor.

SS Engine Guy · 07-27-2009, 11:45 PM

A different look at decals. Your racecar is a signboard. Depending on how you display your signboard is the same as any outdoor advertising. A signboard in a really busy business/traffic area is expensive. A signboard in the bad area or less traveled street is somewhat cheaper.

I along with many others here can remember the days when you ran a decal for your camshaft that wasn't the camshaft you ran in your car to keep your competitors wondering. Of course this was when a competitive SS car was in the 10k-12k range and gas was under a dollar.

I look at my race operation as a good chance for the aftermarket to display and advertise their product. Not only the car but the driver, the crew (if any), the pit area etc. The sanctioning bodies lack of promotion of the classes I choose to participate in usually regulate the amount of "traffic" or potential buyers of a product. This is why few of us have sponsors inside or outside of the motorsports field. But that is a whole different topic.

Bottom line: I display advertising (decals) of the manufacturers that help to support racing. I run products based not on popularity but products that WORK along with TECH SUPPORT that gets the job done. I will not run decals that claim that their product is only good for a certain amount of time, however, I do understand that parts, like anything else wear out. But by putting a time limit on paying for the advertising that I have done over the years is not acceptable to me, nor should it be acceptable to any of you. My racecar is ALMOST free advertising at every track that I go to until I win, r/u, or win class. Then I get payed. (Sometimes).... I will not spend time and pay phone bills to talk to machines that want me to press two for English. I have done my job. I ran the product. I use the product in customers engines. I display the decals. I tell potential customers of the top of the line components that I use.
Now back to the middle of the last paragraph where I said "ALMOST free advertising". I do now and have in the past charged "up front" for my signboard. It is a nice signboard. It appears at some of the biggest events(Nationals).It is not a regional signboard it travels. It comes with a professional crew. Why shouldn't I get top dollar for my signboard? Many companies that racers deal with are not listed as contingency sponsors for reasons that vary. Usually money. However, any nationally known company and also many regionally known companies know the value of advertising and a target audience. Some companies give me and my customers (yes I pass the savings along) price incentives to display their name on signboards. Whether it be pure product or a small discount they "pay" for their advertising. This varies from 10% off up to complete components to pay for their advertising. This is up front. Nothing if I win or lose.

We need to stop being racing prostitutes and take charge of our own destiny. Not only in advertising but in our sport and its future.

The moral of this story: I run decals that pay me in some timely fashion for the clutter on my racecar. I'm not shy in the least of telling a manufaturer what "I" require in order for "them" to appear on my signboard. In short, every decal that appears on my car has either already paid, or is paying, or will pay for its placement there. I am running less decals than ever due to the economic mess and the ones that have been removed will be replaced when things hopefully recover so no hard feelings there. If you do much racing you know who pays, who dosne't and what are the requirements to collect. In my opinion if the decal is on the car and the product is easily varified (you can see it) then case closed. In other instances such as engine components deep within.....nothing but the decal should suffice. Another complex problem with a very simple answer.

One other thing. Racecars without decals are Great! Nothing impresses me more than a nice racecar, well thought out, clean and put together right. There is no rule that says you have to be in the signboard business.

07-25-2009, 04:37 PM	#1
Stocker 449 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lancaster, Tx Posts: 37 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? I'm guessing there used to be good money in class for all brands. We made a good deal winning class with our Dodge Aspen Wagon the past couple of years, but havent had a chance to see what we can get this year. The day that we feel we can start winning class in our Max Wedge is the day we might considering placing stickers on the car. I guess people wont consider it a true race car until then...

07-25-2009, 08:17 PM	#3
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? Gary, What does you getting beat 3rd rd and your buddy having #54 got to do with Contingency money? There are some people that would rather have a show car than a race car. Like I said in an erlier post it's up to you to decide. One thing I would like you to know. I've been bitten in the ***** before but I can bite back. Have a good day. Chip Johnson

07-26-2009, 09:30 AM	#7
Steve Williams Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 352 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? Chip, You look at the winners purse and then add about $12,000.00 dollars on top and you have a nice payday. Nice car or not I am putting them on. My friend has won several national events in NHRA and they look at your car for contingency decals late in the day. I remember putting them on the car as late as 10 minutes before the final. If you race alot like you do, you are foolish not to put them on or you can afford to run alot out of your own pocket. I was at Rockingham when you won a div championship and wondered what that day would have paid if it was me, and it was by no means big dollars, but my calculations told me that would have paid for alot the next season. Best part is that the stickers come off if you don't like them. To each persons liking I suppose. But I say Show Me the Money! Steve I know that was getting off the thread, but todays contingency deals are lacking. Slow pay or no pay by some ruin it for the other manufacturers that do pay and pay quick (30 days). Ask anyone that races alot and wins occasionally, they can tell you who the deadbeats are. I agree with Terry on non posting manufacturers-no pay no sticker. Last edited by Steve Williams; 07-26-2009 at 09:33 AM.

07-26-2009, 10:23 AM	#8
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? Steve, I agree with You and Terry also. If they don't pay no need to have them on there. One thing nobody has mentioned, IHRA has less contingency this year but at least the ones posting pay in a timely manner. There are decals on my car that don't pay in IHRA but do in NHRA if I ever decide to run over there. There are also a few decals that don't pay contingency but the company was nice enough to discount the parts for me. Chip

07-27-2009, 11:45 PM	#10
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? A different look at decals. Your racecar is a signboard. Depending on how you display your signboard is the same as any outdoor advertising. A signboard in a really busy business/traffic area is expensive. A signboard in the bad area or less traveled street is somewhat cheaper. I along with many others here can remember the days when you ran a decal for your camshaft that wasn't the camshaft you ran in your car to keep your competitors wondering. Of course this was when a competitive SS car was in the 10k-12k range and gas was under a dollar. I look at my race operation as a good chance for the aftermarket to display and advertise their product. Not only the car but the driver, the crew (if any), the pit area etc. The sanctioning bodies lack of promotion of the classes I choose to participate in usually regulate the amount of "traffic" or potential buyers of a product. This is why few of us have sponsors inside or outside of the motorsports field. But that is a whole different topic. Bottom line: I display advertising (decals) of the manufacturers that help to support racing. I run products based not on popularity but products that WORK along with TECH SUPPORT that gets the job done. I will not run decals that claim that their product is only good for a certain amount of time, however, I do understand that parts, like anything else wear out. But by putting a time limit on paying for the advertising that I have done over the years is not acceptable to me, nor should it be acceptable to any of you. My racecar is ALMOST free advertising at every track that I go to until I win, r/u, or win class. Then I get payed. (Sometimes).... I will not spend time and pay phone bills to talk to machines that want me to press two for English. I have done my job. I ran the product. I use the product in customers engines. I display the decals. I tell potential customers of the top of the line components that I use. Now back to the middle of the last paragraph where I said "ALMOST free advertising". I do now and have in the past charged "up front" for my signboard. It is a nice signboard. It appears at some of the biggest events(Nationals).It is not a regional signboard it travels. It comes with a professional crew. Why shouldn't I get top dollar for my signboard? Many companies that racers deal with are not listed as contingency sponsors for reasons that vary. Usually money. However, any nationally known company and also many regionally known companies know the value of advertising and a target audience. Some companies give me and my customers (yes I pass the savings along) price incentives to display their name on signboards. Whether it be pure product or a small discount they "pay" for their advertising. This varies from 10% off up to complete components to pay for their advertising. This is up front. Nothing if I win or lose. We need to stop being racing prostitutes and take charge of our own destiny. Not only in advertising but in our sport and its future. The moral of this story: I run decals that pay me in some timely fashion for the clutter on my racecar. I'm not shy in the least of telling a manufaturer what "I" require in order for "them" to appear on my signboard. In short, every decal that appears on my car has either already paid, or is paying, or will pay for its placement there. I am running less decals than ever due to the economic mess and the ones that have been removed will be replaced when things hopefully recover so no hard feelings there. If you do much racing you know who pays, who dosne't and what are the requirements to collect. In my opinion if the decal is on the car and the product is easily varified (you can see it) then case closed. In other instances such as engine components deep within.....nothing but the decal should suffice. Another complex problem with a very simple answer. One other thing. Racecars without decals are Great! Nothing impresses me more than a nice racecar, well thought out, clean and put together right. There is no rule that says you have to be in the signboard business.

07-26-2009, 08:36 AM	#5
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? Disdale, You have a very nice looking and undoubtedly fast car. MY OPINION though you can see it every saturday night down at the Sonic. I really enjoy looking at show cars. I really enjoy watching all cars go down the track. My point being IF YOU EVER WIN A RACE that pays contingency you will regret not having the decals on it when you realize how much money you left on the table. Chip Johnson