The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal?

[Jack Matyas]

# 3 -- Radiator core support cut -- I have no idea if his is cut or not but I was told last year by D-1 tech officials that cutting the rad supports was a no-no.....................This rule started back in the day of '57 Chevies and has been that way since -- no exceptions ! ! !

[Dan Bennett]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

# 3 -- Radiator core support cut -- I have no idea if his is cut or not but I was told last year by D-1 tech officials that cutting the rad supports was a no-no.....................This rule started back in the day of '57 Chevies and has been that way since -- no exceptions ! ! !

I hadn't thought about those old Chevies for a long time until you brought it up, and now I'm trying to remember why we needed to cut the support in the first place.

Was it so you could do a cam change with the engine in the car?

[Jack Matyas]

Dan -- It was to make engine changes easy .........same as on todays newer cars -- i'd love to do it .

[GTO/GN]

I Don't remember where I found this but I have found it to be pretty acturate..
1/8 mile ET X 1.55 = 1/4 mile ET
Using this the 6.47 = 10.02

[Dave Ribeiro]

Fred & Bill,

Adam, went 10.26 or 10.27 at Maple Grove the week before... But, I do think he only had 8-10 passes on the new Car ... The Car is really a nice piece and the kid can drive ... You will have to discuss the other stuff with his dad , who has built many racecars... Remember the name, cause you will being hearing more of it...


Jack,

I thought you could cut the rad. support, but could be bolted back together for easy engine removal ???

[Jack Matyas]

Dave -- you're allowed crossmember cutting for pan removal but not the rad support .....

[bill dedman]

Dave,

Maybe it's an example of one of thoise cars that is so well set-up that it has inordinately fast 60-foot times (high 1.20s?) and because of that, covers the first eighth really quickly (for its type of car), but doesn't run on the big end like a SS/A car would, so the performanxce falls off, COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING, the last half. Maybe it's only running 128 mph, or so...

That would explain its slightly incongruous eighth-mile vs. quarter-mile times.

Bill

[JRyan]

Awhile back, I bought a car from Division 1. It had passed tech MANY times over MANY years. Unfortunately, the car came with several things that weren't legal according to the rule book. In order to run in Division V, I had to CORRECT them. So apparently, the rule book used in Division V is written more clearly than the one used in Division 1.

On our Superstock Olds, The guy we sold the car to was required to completely re-do the rear suspension because part of the bracing protruded into the rear seat floorpan. That was in Division 3, and the car had originally come from Division 3. He changed it because that's what the rule said. So apparently the Division 3 rule book is more specific regarding protrusion than the rulebooks in Division 1 or 4.

The problem isn't THE RULES. It's the Divisional tech people who have neglected to grow a pair to tell their buddies NO! Do you think Division 1 has a lock on HIGH-TECH? Take a look at some of the Division 6 & 7 Stockers??, if you can call them that. There is way too much liberal interpretation going on here. EVOLUTION - MY *****.

Jerry

[Larry Fulton]

Originally Posted by JRyan

The problem isn't THE RULES. It's the Divisional tech people who have neglected to grow a pair to tell their buddies NO! Do you think Division 1 has a lock on HIGH-TECH? Take a look at some of the Division 6 & 7 Stockers??, if you can call them that. There is way too much liberal interpretation going on here. EVOLUTION MY *****.

Jerry

Hi there Jerry!
Yep both Stock & Super Stock has gotten way out of control as far as what is legal (and what little isn't). This Keir car is an awesome piece of mechanical artwork there's no doubt about it, and there is no questioning Ken's talent. But the question was "is it legal" as an NHRA Stocker?

If this car is accepted as legal, then it is definitely going to set the standards for everyone else to follow.

Larry Fulton

[mcink]

Originally Posted by jryan

awhile back, i bought a car from division 1. It had passed tech many times over many years. Unfortunately, the car came with several things that weren't legal according to the rule book. In order to run in division v, i had to correct them. So apparently, the rule book used in division v is written more clearly than the one used in division 1.

On our superstock olds, the guy we sold the car to was required to completely re-do the rear suspension because part of the bracing protruded into the rear seat floorpan. That was in division 3, and the car had originally come from division 3. He changed it because that's what the rule said. So apparently the division 3 rule book is more specific regarding protrusion than the rulebooks in division 1 or 4.

The problem isn't the rules. It's the divisional tech people who have neglected to grow a pair to tell their buddies no! Do you think division 1 has a lock on high-tech? Take a look at some of the division 6 & 7 stockers??, if you can call them that. There is way too much liberal interpretation going on here. Evolution - my *****.

Jerry

Yeah, what he said!