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[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

Looks to me like a VERY GOOD reason to update to FIRST OR WORST on RED LIGHTS !!
Why should the fast cars get a FREE PASS on a slower car red lighting ??

I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me.

Ed F.

[Don Kennedy]

I think we should allow deep staging and use a instanct green , (ducking)

[Doug Blackley]

Scrap dial ins, everyone runs against the index and leaves off instant greens.

[bill dedman]

>>>"I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me."

Don't you think your opponent should have the right to earn that shame, too?
If you red light first, you have taken that right away from him.

Is that a fair system?

I don't think so...

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

>>>"I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me."

Don't you think your opponent should have the right to earn that shame, too?
If you red light first, you have taken that right away from him.

Is that a fair system?

I don't think so...

If I'm green then it's his turn.Nobody has the right to go read,just the chance.And if you think anything in real life is fair invite me to the planet you live on.My car can have real wild performance swings in varying weather conditions.Not fair compared to a big block with a lot of compression and a big carb.But I picked the combo and do the best I can with it.Maybe if more people just tried to figure out their combos there would be a lot less tension on this site.
Just get the AHFS squared away and let's race and eat well at the nightly get togethers.

Ed F.

[bill dedman]

Ed,

Life is not fair because we can't change everything to make it fair; I have never had quick reactions, but some people do; I could say, "that's not fair".... but there's nothing that can be done about it.

In order to make things as fair as we CAN, the things that CAN be changed to make it fair should be changed. If not, why have any rules at all?

This can be changed; my slow reaction time and your low-hp car that becomes inconsistent with weather changes, cannot.

You have to separate the "cans" from the "cannots".... and, go from there.

This one is a "can."

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Ed,

Life is not fair because we can't change everything to make it fair; I have nver had quick reactions, but some people do; I could say, "that's not fair".... but there's nothing that can be done about it.

In order to make things as fair as we CAN, the things that CAN be changed to make it fair should be changed. If not, why have any rules at all?

This can be changed; my slow reaction time and your low-hp car that becomes inconsistent with weather changes, cannot.

You have to separate the "can's" from the "cannots".... and, go from there.

This one is a "can."

Bill actually it's a WHY?It has worked well since 1963.
I suck at doing things on the computer.Maybe someone can start a drivers poll with the question "Should the red light rule be changed".Drivers only,we're most affected by it.Sorry Bill,unless you want to fork over #50 to our friends in Glendora.LOL.

Ed

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

>>>"I have no problem with the system now.If I go red shame on me."

Don't you think your opponent should have the right to earn that shame, too?
If you red light first, you have taken that right away from him.

Is that a fair system?

I don't think so...

I'm with you on this one too Bill....both racers should have to have the same focus regardless of which one leaves first...I wish the tree could be set-up so that the first racers green/red light wouldn't show, until after the second car left...if both cars had green lights then they'd both come on after the second car left the line. However (like you also said in post #26), the car with the worse red-light infraction would have the red-eye on that driver, and the lesser of the two would get the green & the win light...that's leveling the playing field. Furthermore I bet if that would happen, there would possibly be less of a massive desire to build the fastest class car, because being the second one to leave the line wouldn't matter as much...what do you think Bill???

[bill dedman]

What do I think?

I think you somehow missed my response to my friend S.E. Buchanan which said, in part,
"S.E., neither driver will see a red light until after BOTH CARS have left the line.

A red light will mean "you lose," and the computer won't know who has "lost" until it compares both lights. It has no way to know whether the second car to leave will have had a worse red light than the first (and thereby become the loser) until he leaves the line, so there's NO WAY this system will affect the concentration of the faster car's driver. He will always assume the other car had a green light until he's left the line and sees a red, if there IS one.

He will see what he's always seen when the first car to leave had a good green light. NO additional distraction...."

That is the way I've been told the software works.

Nothing else would be acceptable; you absolutely CANNOT have a red light coming on and distracting a driver who hasn't left, yet! Nobody should EVER have to put up with that!!!

Thanks for your thoughts, Gary.

Bill

[treessavoy]

Unscrew the red lights, disable the down-link to the scoreboard, and let them find out at the time booth who broke-out the most and was the winner, then the announcer can tell the crowd.

The second guy to leave deserves the "right" to lose by a worse red light.