I-card ??

Dan Bennett · 05-22-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Higgins

IHRA is going to run iCard again according to Tommy Dupree. The new owners of iCard were to make live data available on IHRA's website also.

NHRA needs to get their heads out of their asses and realize how important we racers are. iCard costs nothing and would make the racers very happy.

It costs nothing? Who's going to set it up and babysit it? And work on it when it goes down?

While I agree it would be nice to have it operating again, in the interest of fairness you really should have disclosed that you bought all of the remaining hardware from Icard a while back.

I'm sure that getting the system going again would make some racers happy, but not nearly as much as you so you could get rid of that dead inventory.

Posted for the promotion of full disclosure and all that.

John Kelley · 05-22-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Bennett

It costs nothing? Who's going to set it up and babysit it? And work on it when it goes down?
While I agree it would be nice to have it operating again, in the interest of fairness you really should have disclosed that you bought all of the remaining hardware from Icard a while back.
I'm sure that getting the system going again would make some racers happy, but not nearly as much as you so you could get rid of that dead inventory.
Posted for the promotion of full disclosure and all that.

I believe quite often the Summit FastFriends guys have done the connection at some tracks and monitored the equipment.Other than that apprently the only other thing is an antenna.
Summit could make a lot of people happy by taking it over.

Ken Haase · 05-26-2009, 12:52 PM

Don, I believe that Dan is one of the reporters for Summit's DRC. And we all love those results don't we?

Dan Bennett · 05-29-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Haase

Don, I believe that Dan is one of the reporters for Summit's DRC. And we all love those results don't we?

Yes, I occasionally I still help out at DRC and do a race here and there. But to be crystal clear, I am here on my own and each message I post is entirely personal. I am not even an employee, let alone a spokesman.

Ken, forgive me if my reply might strike you in the wrong way. I just wanted to make sure there was no confusion about where I'm coming from.

And thanks for reading the DRC bylines!

Ken Haase · 05-29-2009, 08:01 PM

No problemo Dan. I've been around the block a time or two.

thomas sheehan · 05-29-2009, 10:25 PM

Ok Dan...... I'm going to ask this question.... please go easy on me.....
WHAT'S WAS WRONG WITH I-CARD?..... i sorta thought it was "great"
I believe everybody that used it "loved it".... (that's what I've been told by others).

I ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE "DRAG RACE CENTRAL" TOO..... and absolutely love it!
I guess I am a "information overload" kind of guy.

tom

Don Kennedy · 05-29-2009, 10:53 PM

not to hijack this post but Dan You brought up some really fun times with the orginal Compuserve times i must be getting a little older these days as i relish the past when we all had some major fun with Compuserve.

bill dedman · 05-29-2009, 11:40 PM

Can one of you "computer literate" guys with experience in the vagaries of NHRA's computer system AT THE TRACK tell me why NHRA doesn't just initiate a "live feed" of the on-site computer system that would (FOR A FEE) give us poor barstuds sitting at home, "live" access to the incremental times, reaction times, speeds and e.t.'s, etc.,. as they happen?

It seems a simple thing to do (but, what do I know???), and they could charge an annual "membership fee"for the service, or sell it on a race-by-race basis; or, whatever they could dream up....

It looks to me to be one of those situations wherein, since it's happening anyway, and would cost virtually NOTHING to allow access to it, that profits from the sales of memberships to the service would be considerable, since there would be no inventory, overhead, or much in the way of maintenance personell (beyond the maintenance personell they already are paying for the satisfactory performance of the extant system.)

It's like there's a bus going to Chicago... how much does it cost the bus company if I climb aboard and ride in one of the empty seats?

I am NOT advocating anything surreptitious; this should be a service that we could BUY for a reasonable price (whatever that is), and would have a few advantages over current setups; specifically, you'd get incremental times for every run, and it would be in real time. I appreciate FAST NEWS as much (or, probably MORE) than the next guy, but I have waited sometimes an hour or more for posting of results that I heard on the online broadcast. I realize that that was most likely not the fault of the Fast News poster, but it happens, nonetheless.

It shouldn't, with this "live feed."

Since they have never done it, there are probably good, legitimate, reasons why.... I just don't know what they are.

It seems that NHRA needs every nickel they can scrape up these days; this would seem to be a way they could make some extra cash....

I know I'd cough up a significant amount of money for such a service. And, I'm POOR!!!

Can somebody who understands this stuff a lot better than I do explain why this isn't a viable scenario?

Thanks for any information....

Bill

Dan Bennett · 05-29-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Higgins

Setup and baby sit? I have set them up before and yes it does take a minute to set it up. Not much more than a minute though....

Interesting. I don't ever remember you helpng Jeff Foster any of the many times I watched him try to get the system working. For instance, did you set up the system at Brainerd? Since it's fairly close to your home base, I guess it is a track that you go to.

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Originally Posted by Don Higgins

I purchased the remaining inventory several years ago in order for him to pay NHRA to keep it running in 2007.

Had that actually happened, things might not be what they are today.

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Originally Posted by Don Higgins

I only have a few left since Hooters Cup and other series use them also. I don't care about the inventory at all. I am a racer who saw the benefit of having this information. I then devised an entire application to help racers use this info.

So I assume you're willing to give your work away, in the same manner as you want the I card to be free to all racers? C'mon, Don.

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Originally Posted by Don Higgins

It costs NOTHING to hook ICard into the existing computer except a few pennies of electricity. ICard even bought the tracks their own antennas years ago. I know because I was on many race track control tower roofs fixing damaged wiring. 40 feet up on a slippery roof at Englishtown soldering an antenna wire was my committment to the racers.

So are you volunteering to maintain the system for all the Full Throttle and Lucas races?

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Originally Posted by Don Higgins

Also Posted for the promotion of full disclosure and all that. What do you do for racers?

Don, I remember when you showed up on CompuServe one day wanting to know all about data acquisition and record keeping. You even emailed me asking me for help in how the Pro classes handled things.

I'm not about to play "Mine's bigger than yours" with you on the Internet but rest assured that there are a bunch of people who know my history and reputation. I'm very comfortable when I think of who they are and not at all bothered that you are clueless.

05-26-2009, 12:52 PM	#3
Ken Haase Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 233 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: I-card ?? Don, I believe that Dan is one of the reporters for Summit's DRC. And we all love those results don't we?

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Ken Haase Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 233 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: I-card ?? No problemo Dan. I've been around the block a time or two.

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thomas sheehan Photographer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 24 Liked 75 Times in 29 Posts	Re: I-card ?? Ok Dan...... I'm going to ask this question.... please go easy on me..... WHAT'S WAS WRONG WITH I-CARD?..... i sorta thought it was "great" I believe everybody that used it "loved it".... (that's what I've been told by others). I ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE "DRAG RACE CENTRAL" TOO..... and absolutely love it! I guess I am a "information overload" kind of guy. tom __________________ Tom Sheehan SS GT/NA 1046

05-29-2009, 10:53 PM	#7
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: I-card ?? not to hijack this post but Dan You brought up some really fun times with the orginal Compuserve times i must be getting a little older these days as i relish the past when we all had some major fun with Compuserve. __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

05-29-2009, 11:40 PM	#8
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: I-card ?? Can one of you "computer literate" guys with experience in the vagaries of NHRA's computer system AT THE TRACK tell me why NHRA doesn't just initiate a "live feed" of the on-site computer system that would (FOR A FEE) give us poor barstuds sitting at home, "live" access to the incremental times, reaction times, speeds and e.t.'s, etc.,. as they happen? It seems a simple thing to do (but, what do I know???), and they could charge an annual "membership fee"for the service, or sell it on a race-by-race basis; or, whatever they could dream up.... It looks to me to be one of those situations wherein, since it's happening anyway, and would cost virtually NOTHING to allow access to it, that profits from the sales of memberships to the service would be considerable, since there would be no inventory, overhead, or much in the way of maintenance personell (beyond the maintenance personell they already are paying for the satisfactory performance of the extant system.) It's like there's a bus going to Chicago... how much does it cost the bus company if I climb aboard and ride in one of the empty seats? I am NOT advocating anything surreptitious; this should be a service that we could BUY for a reasonable price (whatever that is), and would have a few advantages over current setups; specifically, you'd get incremental times for every run, and it would be in real time. I appreciate FAST NEWS as much (or, probably MORE) than the next guy, but I have waited sometimes an hour or more for posting of results that I heard on the online broadcast. I realize that that was most likely not the fault of the Fast News poster, but it happens, nonetheless. It shouldn't, with this "live feed." Since they have never done it, there are probably good, legitimate, reasons why.... I just don't know what they are. It seems that NHRA needs every nickel they can scrape up these days; this would seem to be a way they could make some extra cash.... I know I'd cough up a significant amount of money for such a service. And, I'm POOR!!! Can somebody who understands this stuff a lot better than I do explain why this isn't a viable scenario? Thanks for any information.... Bill __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 05-29-2009 at 11:43 PM.