SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta

Tim Kish · 04-17-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by StrokerDave

Dont forget they have to get around Stephen and Horace Johnson for class. No easy feat. What was the DQ about in 1st round of qualifing?

StrokerDave

DQ was for fuel - brand new can of VP.

Bruce Noland · 04-17-2009, 09:03 AM

Smitty,
a SS/E (Stocker) car tested last week. 9.65 @146mph with mid 4.4 gearing. I am amazed that you are still trying to blow smoke or really don't get what is going on here. The sky isn't falling, however the Ford charade is busted.

Jeff Lee · 04-17-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Smitty,
a SS/E (Stocker) car tested last week. 9.65 @146mph with mid 4.4 gearing. I am amazed that you are still trying to blow smoke or really don't get what is going on here. The sky isn't falling, however the Ford charade is busted.

There's a very simple formula I use and it has been proven correct time after time. 1320/MPH = optimum ET. Optimum ET should be "no problem" for a S/SS vehicle as it is a "no compromise" vehicle. The ones that are really good exceed the formula.
So...1320/146 = 9.04.

Michael Beard · 04-17-2009, 12:33 PM

The forumla may work for some combinations, but I think it should be for entertainment purposes only. The formula generates numbers as much as .20 slower than my actual E.T.'s Scary to think how fast it'd go if I knew what I was doing.

art leong · 04-17-2009, 12:40 PM

Doesn't work in my combo either. It's way off

Bruce Noland · 04-17-2009, 01:12 PM

Jeff,
Thanks for the info.

The calculators may be off on some combinations but they are usually very close on most.

Dwyndorf,
I know people who are very close to some of these cars. That may surprise you.

A little backup information from Moroso, 146 mph with 30" tires at 7,000 rpm equals 4.3 gears. Pretty darn close to what I have been told. 146 mph with 30" tires at 6,800 rpm equals 4.2 gears - still pretty close.
146 mph at 3,485 pounds (about the average weight) equals 830 horsepower. 3,485 pounds at 146 mph should equal 9.20's et. So it looks like these cars are still running high gears.

BTW the Ford guys told me they were running these gears as well. I can only tell you what they told me. I hope this helps.

Jeff Lee · 04-17-2009, 02:44 PM

I've run this formula all the way up and down the national record pages in ND from Comp to Stock and you'll find when you start comparing numbers it's more likely that the formula is more accurate than not. It does not work on the Funny car / Top Fuel classes.
The resistance is when somebody is convinced either they or their hero can't be off track.
My best ET / MPH in SS/H has been 10.02/132in D/S 10.55/125 and in A/FS 13.26/99.66, each being off by only a few hundreths from the formula. I don't give up until I can meed the goal. It also shows if you are trying to meet an ET goal that it sometimes takes more MPH which equates to HP (given no aerodynamic changes being utilized).
So enough about this formula, the bottom line is anybody that's been around drag racing for awhile knows a 146 MPH run is quite capable of a very low 9.20 ET.

Tim Kish · 04-17-2009, 02:36 PM

That calc for mine is 6-tenths faster than the car runs - wish the car went that fast.

Smitty · 04-18-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Smitty,
a SS/E (Stocker) car tested last week. 9.65 @146mph with mid 4.4 gearing. I am amazed that you are still trying to blow smoke or really don't get what is going on here. The sky isn't falling, however the Ford charade is busted.

Bruce,

I don't get what the issue is? Ford proposed a factory built stock eliminator car and NHRA accepted it. The car has yet to hit that magic refactor mark but several of you racers want it factored out. Why don't you guys get together and get a lawyer and sue or give it an rest because this is getting old and riduclous.
If Ford and Chrysler decided to pull these cars would that make you all happy?

Smitty

bill dedman · 04-18-2009, 10:48 PM

Smitty,

I don't think the people who are complaining aboput these cars have ANY gripes beyond the unreasonably soft and unrealistic HP factor they were given.

Nobody wants to see these cars go away; they just would like to have a fighting chance to beat them, sometime, witinn the Class racing.

As things stand, it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

04-17-2009, 09:03 AM	#2
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta Smitty, a SS/E (Stocker) car tested last week. 9.65 @146mph with mid 4.4 gearing. I am amazed that you are still trying to blow smoke or really don't get what is going on here. The sky isn't falling, however the Ford charade is busted. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

04-17-2009, 12:33 PM	#4
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta The forumla may work for some combinations, but I think it should be for entertainment purposes only. The formula generates numbers as much as .20 slower than my actual E.T.'s Scary to think how fast it'd go if I knew what I was doing. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

04-17-2009, 12:40 PM	#5
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta Doesn't work in my combo either. It's way off __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

04-17-2009, 01:12 PM	#6
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta Jeff, Thanks for the info. The calculators may be off on some combinations but they are usually very close on most. Dwyndorf, I know people who are very close to some of these cars. That may surprise you. A little backup information from Moroso, 146 mph with 30" tires at 7,000 rpm equals 4.3 gears. Pretty darn close to what I have been told. 146 mph with 30" tires at 6,800 rpm equals 4.2 gears - still pretty close. 146 mph at 3,485 pounds (about the average weight) equals 830 horsepower. 3,485 pounds at 146 mph should equal 9.20's et. So it looks like these cars are still running high gears. BTW the Ford guys told me they were running these gears as well. I can only tell you what they told me. I hope this helps. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

04-17-2009, 02:44 PM	#7
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta I've run this formula all the way up and down the national record pages in ND from Comp to Stock and you'll find when you start comparing numbers it's more likely that the formula is more accurate than not. It does not work on the Funny car / Top Fuel classes. The resistance is when somebody is convinced either they or their hero can't be off track. My best ET / MPH in SS/H has been 10.02/132in D/S 10.55/125 and in A/FS 13.26/99.66, each being off by only a few hundreths from the formula. I don't give up until I can meed the goal. It also shows if you are trying to meet an ET goal that it sometimes takes more MPH which equates to HP (given no aerodynamic changes being utilized). So enough about this formula, the bottom line is anybody that's been around drag racing for awhile knows a 146 MPH run is quite capable of a very low 9.20 ET. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX Last edited by Jeff Lee; 04-17-2009 at 02:46 PM.

04-17-2009, 02:36 PM	#8
Tim Kish Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 281 Likes: 2 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta That calc for mine is 6-tenths faster than the car runs - wish the car went that fast. __________________ Tim Kish 3032 SS/GS

04-18-2009, 10:48 PM	#10
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta Smitty, I don't think the people who are complaining aboput these cars have ANY gripes beyond the unreasonably soft and unrealistic HP factor they were given. Nobody wants to see these cars go away; they just would like to have a fighting chance to beat them, sometime, witinn the Class racing. As things stand, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. __________________ Bill