"WHAT IF" part 4

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Terry, Good Luck starting an Association. Dont forget to use your best judgement to create YOUR idea of where it should go and as you already see the vocal minority will never agree.(on anything) You still need to keep the GOAL in sight and if it cannot attract the people you will know you tried with good intentions.
If a sport with 10 classes with excitement and color and appeal could be created for the Spectator appeal it can draw people to create a car to compete. If they dont care to adapt to the racing they can stay with the HRAs and complain. The HRAs listened too much and dumbed down their segment of racing to where it is today.. Bracket racing class cars with MASSIVE expensive modifications in front of empty grand stands....
Come on Fords and Dodges.....

Do not forget one important thing. If this becomes a reality it is not my ideas or my association. Its YOURS....the legal class sportsman racers. I was only "Thinking outloud" and all of a sudden I recieve all of these attacks and I expressed MY opinions in return. It seems that if you like RED cars and someone on here likes BLUE cars everything you say or do is all wrong an an offense to someone else who likes another "color" of race car. I NEVER said anyone was going to be left out or made non competetive. Im always "Fishing" for ideas and response but everyone who reads this stuff and loves stock and S/S racing needs to think about what can you (we) do to attract spectators and a fan base. The way it is now just is NOT working and as Dick says and its been "DUMBED DOWN" for years and the only people who watch our kind of racing are either family, friends, or a very small percentage who understand the stock and S/S concept. . Anything new cannot be exactly like NHRA or IHRA has now. With all of the tech issues (IF the HRA's continue inspecting cars) and (what happened to the "lets weigh pistons and rods?) the legal class cars have become a liability and a pain in the butt. Again....READ what Chuck Norton wrote about class racing and think about it. My 3 cents worth.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Do not forget one important thing. If this becomes a reality it is not my ideas or my association. Its YOURS....the legal class sportsman racers. I was only "Thinking outloud" and all of a sudden I recieve all of these attacks and I expressed MY opinions in return. It seems that if you like RED cars and someone on here likes BLUE cars everything you say or do is all wrong an an offense to someone else who likes another "color" of race car. I NEVER said anyone was going to be left out or made non competetive. Im always "Fishing" for ideas and response but everyone who reads this stuff and loves stock and S/S racing needs to think about what can you (we) do to attract spectators and a fan base. The way it is now just is NOT working and as Dick says and its been "DUMBED DOWN" for years and the only people who watch our kind of racing are either family, friends, or a very small percentage who understand the stock and S/S concept. . Anything new cannot be exactly like NHRA or IHRA has now. With all of the tech issues (IF the HRA's continue inspecting cars) and (what happened to the "lets weigh pistons and rods?) the legal class cars have become a liability and a pain in the butt. Again....READ what Chuck Norton wrote about class racing and think about it. My 3 cents worth.

Terry I think your ideas were a lot more than red cars vs. blue cars. It seems to me you and Dick Butler have dreamed up this 10 class senario (or something very similar).
You should take a lesson from top stock. It has not taken off the way you wanted it to. I think you thought it would obsolete stock as it is now.
To have a lot of classes gives "EVERYONE" a chance to compete not just those with deep pockets.
Just listen to all the complaining on here about the Mustangs and Challengers. Why don't everybody go and buy one? Everyone agrees they are going to be impossible to beat in their class.

[Dick Butler]

Art, Everyone can compete.... Thats what Bracket racing at your local track is for. Guys with ALL cars can compete but NHRA AND IHRA have been interested in Entry money so long they Dumbed it down to limit Class racing by pure numbers of classes allowed and dilute the total number of cars available to run class. Have you looked at the class winners at cajun Nationals yet...over 50% of SS classes run were BYE runs. The eliminator has been turned into the goal because there are FEW highly populated classes today.
I know we can use AH as an excuse to point out the cost of SS racing today. Use FWD as an example of Cheaper opportunity to race but the point is Bracket racing is Bracket racing with or without a Class designation on your window. I feel for the good of Stk and SS the heads up class format has the greatest appeal outside your garage( the individual). Not the eliminator. See test and tune nights where people race each other heads up (not recognizing factoring) and have a ball and bring friends who pay money for food etc etc.
TOP/STK and Jr. Stock are alive and well in Div 1 where there are NUMBERS of cars which can fit. What If a manufacturer stepped up with 1000$ per event guess where more cars would be in the class structure.
Today it means nothing which class you pick as there is no money difference in pay out.SO eliminator can earn more money.10 Classes that paid $1000 per class win would MEAN something to everyone who races today . They would change their attitude to be included (and Probably their car they race)
Limit classes, more sponsors to WIN a class not participate. We all see what happened when it doesnt mean you Beat anyone....No money from sponsors as it MEANS nothing to make a BYE run.
Which would excite you more qualifying with a FWD car for no money or having a chance to RACE for $1000 to win a class of 10 cars? Every time you went to a meet.

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

Dick, Top Stk and Jr Stk is not live and well in D1, they have done away with most of their races due to no $$ support,