"WHAT IF" part 4 - Page 11

X-TECH MAN · 04-05-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by art leong

ARE YOU GUYS TRYING TO SET UP A NEW ASSOCIATION??????
Adjust this, drop that, It seems to me the stuff you are plotting makes glendora look like childs play.
I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again. If you want a totally level playing field go race heavy eliminator or nostagia race. And leave the the perfomance backed stuff to others.
How about you can't win class unless you have competition in your class. That would get rid of most of the FWD cars!!!!!! HAPPY????????
PS in SS there are Ron Sebelnick, Tim Kish, Myself and some others under consturction. All in the same class

You just dont get it...............there are just TO MANY CLASSES for the manufacturer,s to pay class win money. The show as it is right now is nothing more than a bracket race to spectators. Im not saying this will be done but SOMETHING has to be done or its nothing more but the same old crap like NHRA and IHRA and the spectators dont give a S##T about it.

art leong · 04-05-2009, 05:18 PM

I get it.
Like I said just don't offer contingency to "ANYONE" that doesn't have another car in their class.
Sounds simple to me.
Or are you "WORRIED" about offending some of your "PALS".
This "BS" about FWD has gone on long enough they have had classes for them for over 25 years, like it or not they are "HERE TO STAY"
Everyone on here has been saying the reason the companies don't want to get involved is the "VIG" nhra charges not the numbers of classes.
Maybe you should get Tim Gietner to be in chanrge of your "new association"

art leong · 04-05-2009, 05:33 PM

Also I've just about heard enough about "their is more fun in it when their are more cars in the class"
I believe the only ones having fun are the ones having "FUN" are those that are winning or capable of winng the class. The others are just there for the bracket race.
In todays "mentality" if you had less classes "the few" would spend more money and dominate them anyway.
Or do you still live in the utopian world where hard work and sweat can "trump" money.
If you do take a look at the pro classes and see how many of them started as sportsman racers!!!!!!

Ed Wright · 04-05-2009, 06:20 PM

Interesting reading for guys thinking NHRA can't do without us. Not sure how I found this, was doing a serch for something else, reflects my thoughts exactly. From our friend Chuck Norton. Echos what an NHRA official of mine and also racetrack ownner I knows says.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res6wsqy/id3.html

X-TECH MAN · 04-05-2009, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Interesting reading for guys thinking NHRA can't do without us. Not sure how I found this, was doing a serch for something else, reflects my thoughts exactly. From our friend Chuck Norton. Echos what an NHRA official of mine and also racetrack ownner I knows says.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res6wsqy/id3.html

This just about says it all. With everyone seemenly having thier own agendas they seldom see the forest for the trees. With some people wanting a class for every different "color" of car I wonder why I ever thought of trying to having an organization to pull sprotsman racers together to race for some decent money. If its bracket racing you want then stay the hell home and race your local tracks with your high dollar toys. I really couldnt care less. Chuck Norton says it best with this article and brings home the truth. You are your own worst enemy.

treessavoy · 04-05-2009, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Interesting reading for guys thinking NHRA can't do without us. Not sure how I found this, was doing a serch for something else, reflects my thoughts exactly. From our friend Chuck Norton. Echos what an NHRA official of mine and also racetrack ownner I knows says.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res6wsqy/id3.html

Chuck is absolutely right, but I thought the deal was to make our own association. I don't believe it was stated anywhere that we were out to hurt the HRS's only find a niche of our own.

This could still be done while running in the HRA's by having our own races BUT I do believe that if Bud will pull out how long will it be before other sponsors follow suit and how long will it be before contingency money can't be afforded anymore.

I believe we are going to see big cutbacks coming to our sport and the classes that are going to suffer are going to be the ones that the fans don't care about watching.......how many people are in the stands when you race!

Jim

Bob Pagano · 04-06-2009, 08:23 AM

Wow........The pen is still mightier than the sword. Chuck is right on.

buzzinhalfdozen · 04-06-2009, 11:34 AM

Too many cooks in the kitchen here. Why not let these people set this up their way, do what they think is right. when they have everything finalized look at what they have to offer and decide whether or not you wish to participate or not. Seems simple to me, not too many people are willing to put what I know is alot of effort into something like this so please let all the details be figured out before all the crying begins. Seems as though some are wanting to put the cart in front of the horse, let's see what these gentlemen have to offer before we try to change it Just my opinion. Joe P.S. some time ago it was voiced that racers were unhappy with the way they were treated by the HRA's. I believe this is what these guys are trying to provide us an" alternative"

randy wilson · 04-06-2009, 01:49 PM

i agree. what ever rules they make i will adapt to, as long as it is not dial in.

S.E. Buchanan · 04-06-2009, 05:44 PM

Terry:

If you want to do what we talked about forget about getting everybodies opinion and
do what you think is right. Set up the organization tell everyone what you have planned then
see how many members you can get to join the organization. If everyone keeps whinning
and moaning as usual tell them just what you said above and FORGET IT.
If not enough racers want to do something better than what they have now at least you
tried. Then let them moan and groan and laugh at them because they can't see beyond their
own personal interest and wants.

04-05-2009, 05:18 PM	#102
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: "WHAT IF" part 4 I get it. Like I said just don't offer contingency to "ANYONE" that doesn't have another car in their class. Sounds simple to me. Or are you "WORRIED" about offending some of your "PALS". This "BS" about FWD has gone on long enough they have had classes for them for over 25 years, like it or not they are "HERE TO STAY" Everyone on here has been saying the reason the companies don't want to get involved is the "VIG" nhra charges not the numbers of classes. Maybe you should get Tim Gietner to be in chanrge of your "new association" __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS Last edited by art leong; 04-05-2009 at 05:23 PM.

04-05-2009, 05:33 PM	#103
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: "WHAT IF" part 4 Also I've just about heard enough about "their is more fun in it when their are more cars in the class" I believe the only ones having fun are the ones having "FUN" are those that are winning or capable of winng the class. The others are just there for the bracket race. In todays "mentality" if you had less classes "the few" would spend more money and dominate them anyway. Or do you still live in the utopian world where hard work and sweat can "trump" money. If you do take a look at the pro classes and see how many of them started as sportsman racers!!!!!! __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

04-05-2009, 06:20 PM	#104
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: "WHAT IF" part 4 Interesting reading for guys thinking NHRA can't do without us. Not sure how I found this, was doing a serch for something else, reflects my thoughts exactly. From our friend Chuck Norton. Echos what an NHRA official of mine and also racetrack ownner I knows says. http://mysite.verizon.net/res6wsqy/id3.html __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

04-06-2009, 08:23 AM	#107
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 241 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: "WHAT IF" part 4 Wow........The pen is still mightier than the sword. Chuck is right on. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

04-06-2009, 11:34 AM	#108
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: "WHAT IF" part 4 Too many cooks in the kitchen here. Why not let these people set this up their way, do what they think is right. when they have everything finalized look at what they have to offer and decide whether or not you wish to participate or not. Seems simple to me, not too many people are willing to put what I know is alot of effort into something like this so please let all the details be figured out before all the crying begins. Seems as though some are wanting to put the cart in front of the horse, let's see what these gentlemen have to offer before we try to change it Just my opinion. Joe P.S. some time ago it was voiced that racers were unhappy with the way they were treated by the HRA's. I believe this is what these guys are trying to provide us an" alternative" __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

04-06-2009, 01:49 PM	#109
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: "WHAT IF" part 4 i agree. what ever rules they make i will adapt to, as long as it is not dial in. __________________ don,t have one

04-06-2009, 05:44 PM	#110
S.E. Buchanan Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 37 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: "WHAT IF" part 4 Terry: If you want to do what we talked about forget about getting everybodies opinion and do what you think is right. Set up the organization tell everyone what you have planned then see how many members you can get to join the organization. If everyone keeps whinning and moaning as usual tell them just what you said above and FORGET IT. If not enough racers want to do something better than what they have now at least you tried. Then let them moan and groan and laugh at them because they can't see beyond their own personal interest and wants.