We need a new "instant" trigger!

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Mike, maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm OK with the -1.40 number I just don't think that the 3.25% number is enough. What I'm looking for is something like 7% or even more.

Billy maybe they should institute the "Artie Leong" rule 8.5% in one shot. Seemed to make a lot of people happy at the time.
Lets see now? 425 HP times 8.5%. Thats 36 horsepower in a 9 pound class thats 320 pounds. Sounds like a plan to me.
To be serious. Billy whatever the number guys are still going to play games. And run in braket mode. I just think anyone the goes fast enough for a instant hit sound be torn down. And nhra should use corrected density altitude. For their books We all know running 115 under in a mineshaft is easier than running 115 under at 3000' density altitude.

[Chad Rhodes]

how about this.

1.400-1.424 under = 3.5%
1.425-1.449 under = 5%
1.450-1.474 under = 7%
1.475 under or more = 10%

or 1% for every .01 under 1.40

[novassdude]

I think Chad is on to the right idea. Make it multiple trigger points each with a larger hit on the horse power. I would maybe spread ot out alittle more that what he had. Maybe an extra percent per tenth or some thing like that.
In the case of some thing like a 2:00 under run it should be hit no matter where the run takes place. weather it was a factord track or not.

[Billy Nees]

Jack, OK 25 HP in one shot instead of 2 or 3 shots. 225 lbs will slow your LS-1 down what? 1.8 tenths? Your still 1.22 under. You aren't getting any sympathy here pal.
Art, I still remember being there on that day and I don't remember you getting any sympathy from Jack but t
hen you were in one of those oddball, slow cars and not an LS-1 Firebird.
Chad, something like that might wirk but lower the trigger to -1.35.

[david ring]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Chad, something like that might wirk but lower the trigger to -1.35.

Billy, you are a lot smarter than that so I assume that's a typo-are you going to Atco next week?

[david ring]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

how about this.

1.400-1.424 under = 3.5%
1.425-1.449 under = 5%
1.450-1.474 under = 7%
1.475 under or more = 10%

or 1% for every .01 under 1.40

Chad's idea is really like what we have in comp-the amount of the adjustment depends on how far under a car runs-this strikes me what people are or should be looking for in adjusting soft combos. The only argument is the increments, say 1.400-1.429 = 3.55; 1.43-1.459 = 5%, well you get the idea, and that's why he added or 1% for every .01. You guys know stock really well and you ought to bring it either the SRAC or get the attention of tech people at NHRA. I'm still optimistic enough to think that if they'd be willing to change something if they can say it's what the racers wanted.

[ss3845]

You can make the trigger/penalty anything you want. The majority of the racers will just adjust to keep under it. Instead worrying about one guy and an odd ball combo you should be looking at the guys who make all their runs at -1.00 under and then get in the cic race and are going -1.25 - 1.40 under. Leaving the event with no run to make a trigger for the AHFS.

The AHFS is doomed to fail because the only incentive for going fast is that you will get HP. If the top 5 qualifiers got paid like the winner and R/U the current rules would have everything sorted out pretty quick. That sounds just as crazy as the AHFS.

[Mike Meier]

No disrespect meant to anyone, but instead of looking at it like "a 5% hit is 200 lbs or so" how about you just MOVE TO THE HIGHER CLASS!!! Then the only weight you need to move around are those little letters on your window!

Another deep thought brought to you by Zippy! Oh and hi Billy.

[Michael Beard]

There have been years of data compiled. Take all the data, do run completion on 1000' times, and compare everything to a -1.00 under baseline, and adjust *everybody's* HP once now, and be done with it. A ton of work once, and then just fine adjustments after that. How long has it taken to get HP factors even somewhat in line on some combinations using the AHFS? While people didn't like the politics of the pre-AHFS days, at least common sense *could* be applied.

[Billy Nees]

Dave, you've seen my fingers! They're kind of like these blunt objects sticking out of my hands and the I is right next to the O.