Bob Shaw is a bad man

[david ring]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

Yeah!!!! What Kyle said! Jim

I agree with what Jim said about Kyle! And that El Camino that kyle is talking about is way cool!

[Evan Smith]

Two Seconds Under!

Where are all the racers who complained about the CJ? Where is all the talk of GM screwing NHRA Stock racers? Where is the talk of how NHRA is screwing hard working Stock racers? Come on guys, chime in. You bashed NHRA, Ford and the CJ, now what is your take on this car?

The answer is : You are nowhere to be found because this car doesn't affect you! So you won't hear any chatter about how soft this combo is from the CJ bashers. I don't mean to bring any negativity to Bob Shaw, as he clearly plays by the rules, but it is funny how much talk there was about a car even before it ran and how little talk there is about a slower-class Stocker that runs further under than any Stocker I have seen.

Evan

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Two Seconds Under!

Where are all the racers who complained about the CJ? Where is all the talk of GM screwing NHRA Stock racers? Where is the talk of how NHRA is screwing hard working Stock racers? Come on guys, chime in. You bashed NHRA, Ford and the CJ, now what is your take on this car?

The answer is : You are nowhere to be found because this car doesn't affect you! So you won't hear any chatter about how soft this combo is from the CJ bashers. I don't mean to bring any negativity to Bob Shaw, as he clearly plays by the rules, but it is funny how much talk there was about a car even before it ran and how little talk there is about a slower-class Stocker that runs further under than any Stocker I have seen.

Evan

Gezzzz.........they bashed me for bringing up the subject of this car and the AHFS.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Two Seconds Under!

Where are all the racers who complained about the CJ? Where is all the talk of GM screwing NHRA Stock racers? Where is the talk of how NHRA is screwing hard working Stock racers? Come on guys, chime in. You bashed NHRA, Ford and the CJ, now what is your take on this car?

The answer is : You are nowhere to be found because this car doesn't affect you! So you won't hear any chatter about how soft this combo is from the CJ bashers. I don't mean to bring any negativity to Bob Shaw, as he clearly plays by the rules, but it is funny how much talk there was about a car even before it ran and how little talk there is about a slower-class Stocker that runs further under than any Stocker I have seen.

Evan

That 2.12 under beats my 2.04 under From years ago. I Should have leaned it out a bit more.
Now I've got to run 12.17 with my N/A setup!!!! I think my work ain't going to be easy.
This is my form of "bitchin"

[rseibenick]

Why to go Bob. Like Sarah always says "GO FAST" . Ron EF/S .

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Two Seconds Under!

Where are all the racers who complained about the CJ? Where is all the talk of GM screwing NHRA Stock racers? Where is the talk of how NHRA is screwing hard working Stock racers? Come on guys, chime in. You bashed NHRA, Ford and the CJ, now what is your take on this car?

The answer is : You are nowhere to be found because this car doesn't affect you! So you won't hear any chatter about how soft this combo is from the CJ bashers. I don't mean to bring any negativity to Bob Shaw, as he clearly plays by the rules, but it is funny how much talk there was about a car even before it ran and how little talk there is about a slower-class Stocker that runs further under than any Stocker I have seen.

Evan

Evan;
Bob's car is one car,the CJ's are a fleet in the making.Bob will move on to another killer combo,but the CJ's are here to stay.It's true the CJ's can't go 2.00 under but they out pace the current AA cars by quite
a bit.And as you know the Caddie is a T car like mine.When he obliterated the T record I set in 06 I was one of the first to congratulate him.Record and fast wise Bob is a baddddd man.

Ed

[bill dedman]

Evan Smith said: "You are nowhere to be found because this car doesn't affect you! So you won't hear any chatter about how soft this combo is from the CJ bashers. I don't mean to bring any negativity to Bob Shaw, as he clearly plays by the rules, but it is funny how much talk there was about a car even before it ran and how little talk there is about a slower-class Stocker that runs further under than any Stocker I have seen. "

I think that is definitely a part of the reason for the dearth of posts about the car in question, but the other part, that you didn't mention was this: The feeling among the people who did post about the Mustangs, is that NHRA "bought" (went along with, not "purchased") the 425HP factor that was suggested to them as a favor to Ford Motor Company, so that these cars could enjoy a strategic advantage over the competition, at least until somebody defied (or, ignored) the AHFS and pulled a "Henson" and got the factor up to where it belongs. The smell from those circumstances offended the racers running that class, and their fans, so they made their feelings public.

The difference between that scenario and the T/SA debacle is this: Nobody envisions Cadillac Motor Car Company imploring the NHRA HP Factoring Comittee to bless the 350 Olds motor used in the Seville (with EFI) with an unreasonably low number. NHRA did that little bit of genius all by themselves... There was no aura of "conspiracy" surrounding the unrealistically low factor assigned to the Caddy; Mr. Shaw just happened to discover it and take advantage of it, and he didn't build 50 race-ready cars to exploit it.

The combination of those facts, and the relatively low number of participants of T/SA, combined to keep comments about the bizarre nature of this situation to a minimum.

It's apples and oranges, really, even though the ridiculous joke it made of the T/SA index is surely worth of discussion. I'll bet NHRA's Tech department is glad Bob Shaw doesn't have a twin brother doing the same thing... LOL!

[Bret Kepner]

The funniest aspect of this entire subject is Bob Shaw has been thrashing obscure combinations for over forty years. Forget about the people who think he "just started racing"; how much longer before he earns a bit of a well-deserved respect from the rest of the sport?

[bill dedman]

If someone doesn't respect this man, and what he has done, it's obvious they just don't understand Stock Eliminator racing at all!!! LOL!

[Billy Nees]

Bret, Bob has ALWAYS had my respect!