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Bruce Noland · 03-15-2009, 01:36 PM

cwigle,

I think your post is arrogant and out of line. I am entitled to my opinions. Don't read them if you don't like them. I'll eventually sell my stuff because I'm actively pursuing a land speed car but I won't sell it because someone I do not know offers me two alternatives. Grow up.

Ditto what Alan said!

Colin Wigle · 03-15-2009, 02:15 PM

Alan,

You have some very good points, if I have concerns or feel like I was treated unfairly I would not hesitate to take it up with NHRA. I don’t agree with how things are in s/s with regards to a lot of thing such as AHFS and I do not have the answers.

Bruce,

You call me out as being childish and arrogant that is fine, I too as everyone is entitled to they’re own opinion. It’s really my problem your negativity brings out the worst in me.

63corvette · 03-15-2009, 04:20 PM

John, I asked the same question about the Big Dogs and no one at the hourly level seemed to know. That was not publicized so I would guess not. If the Top Dogs had to take a salary cut they would have made big headlines out of it just to make sure everyone down the line knew.
NHRA is a non profit so the Big Dogs probably don't make much money anyway. RIGHT!!!!
All the Racer Fees went up anyway to cover those 10% pay cuts, OR IS MY MATH OFF?
My 2 Cents

bill dedman · 03-15-2009, 04:34 PM

>>>"All the Racer Fees went up anyway to cover those 10% pay cuts, OR IS MY MATH OFF?"

Sounds right to me!!! I LOVE IT!!!

You're too funny...

Bruce Noland · 03-15-2009, 04:57 PM

cwigle,

Talking about racing brings out the worst in you? Hmm.. Time to rethink this racing business because the best and worst situations are usually reserved for real life situations. And this racing stuff is NOT real life. It's easy to say someone is being negative when they are not saying what you want to hear.

Facts is Facts as the old man says - so let's see how this whole mess turns out. The facts will be very clear in a matter of months.

I started a thread last spring that said all of us should be very careful with our money because things didn't look so good. A few racers looked me up to thank me for bringing the issue up and decided to be a little more careful about their spending. And this year looks much worse. I'm not one to stick his head in the sand. Let's deal with it and move on.

Lynn A McCarty · 03-15-2009, 05:20 PM

I must agree with Colin on his few stated issues. The financial sector is down causing most business to be down. That has nothing to do with the viable business plan of most corporations. Like people think that GM isnt selling cars because they arent building more hybrids or electric cars.

Bull!

GM is down because they lost 40% of the customers cause the banks wont lend them money to buy a car. They were just fine until gas went $4.19 a gallon and banks stopped lending money. During globilization the number one rule is that you must protect your own assets or the competing countries will steal you blind. We are not protecting our assets, we tax businesses and other countries subsidize theirs. Watch everyone leave as we increase that!

All businesses live and die with their decisions, not to say that I agree with all of them in NHRA. However, this is not why they are down. We all are down except those that are getting free money from Washington.

No one can control a 50 trillion dollar economy, it flucuates and we can only mildly influence the normal cycles of up and down.

Alan Roehrich · 03-15-2009, 05:45 PM

Lynn,
I disagree. I know plenty of people who either already have money they could spend, or could very easily borrow money, and plenty either way. They will not now nor will they in the near future spend much, if any of that money. And they will not borrow any either, regardless of how easy it is.

I have lousy credit, we were forced into bankruptcy by an unscrupulous creditor when my wife had cancer a few years ago. I can borrow money, if I want to. The credit crunch isn't so bad as you might think. But consumer confidence is so low that nothing is selling.

A lot of people who have a fair amount of money because they are smart and work hard are spending it very conservatively. Racing is not cheap, broke stupid people either don't race, or they don't race long. That's why car counts are down, and will continue to be down.

There's plenty of talk about how "negativity" is part of the problem. Well, maybe so, but dishonest "positive talk" won't help things either.

03-15-2009, 01:36 PM	#1
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: So................... cwigle, I think your post is arrogant and out of line. I am entitled to my opinions. Don't read them if you don't like them. I'll eventually sell my stuff because I'm actively pursuing a land speed car but I won't sell it because someone I do not know offers me two alternatives. Grow up. Ditto what Alan said! __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 03-15-2009 at 01:38 PM.

03-15-2009, 02:15 PM	#2
Colin Wigle Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 50 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: So................... Alan, You have some very good points, if I have concerns or feel like I was treated unfairly I would not hesitate to take it up with NHRA. I don’t agree with how things are in s/s with regards to a lot of thing such as AHFS and I do not have the answers. Bruce, You call me out as being childish and arrogant that is fine, I too as everyone is entitled to they’re own opinion. It’s really my problem your negativity brings out the worst in me.

03-15-2009, 04:20 PM	#3
63corvette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canyon, Tx Posts: 552 Likes: 128 Liked 358 Times in 103 Posts	Re: So................... John, I asked the same question about the Big Dogs and no one at the hourly level seemed to know. That was not publicized so I would guess not. If the Top Dogs had to take a salary cut they would have made big headlines out of it just to make sure everyone down the line knew. NHRA is a non profit so the Big Dogs probably don't make much money anyway. RIGHT!!!! All the Racer Fees went up anyway to cover those 10% pay cuts, OR IS MY MATH OFF? My 2 Cents Last edited by 63corvette; 03-15-2009 at 04:29 PM.

03-15-2009, 04:34 PM	#4
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: So................... >>>"All the Racer Fees went up anyway to cover those 10% pay cuts, OR IS MY MATH OFF?" Sounds right to me!!! I LOVE IT!!! You're too funny... __________________ Bill

03-15-2009, 04:57 PM	#5
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: So................... cwigle, Talking about racing brings out the worst in you? Hmm.. Time to rethink this racing business because the best and worst situations are usually reserved for real life situations. And this racing stuff is NOT real life. It's easy to say someone is being negative when they are not saying what you want to hear. Facts is Facts as the old man says - so let's see how this whole mess turns out. The facts will be very clear in a matter of months. I started a thread last spring that said all of us should be very careful with our money because things didn't look so good. A few racers looked me up to thank me for bringing the issue up and decided to be a little more careful about their spending. And this year looks much worse. I'm not one to stick his head in the sand. Let's deal with it and move on. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

03-15-2009, 05:20 PM	#6
Lynn A McCarty Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Plainfield (INDY) Indiana Posts: 468 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: So................... I must agree with Colin on his few stated issues. The financial sector is down causing most business to be down. That has nothing to do with the viable business plan of most corporations. Like people think that GM isnt selling cars because they arent building more hybrids or electric cars. Bull! GM is down because they lost 40% of the customers cause the banks wont lend them money to buy a car. They were just fine until gas went $4.19 a gallon and banks stopped lending money. During globilization the number one rule is that you must protect your own assets or the competing countries will steal you blind. We are not protecting our assets, we tax businesses and other countries subsidize theirs. Watch everyone leave as we increase that! All businesses live and die with their decisions, not to say that I agree with all of them in NHRA. However, this is not why they are down. We all are down except those that are getting free money from Washington. No one can control a 50 trillion dollar economy, it flucuates and we can only mildly influence the normal cycles of up and down. __________________ Lynn A McCarty 3470 SS Last edited by Lynn A McCarty; 03-15-2009 at 05:23 PM.

03-15-2009, 05:45 PM	#7
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,113 Likes: 1,571 Liked 1,826 Times in 414 Posts	Re: So................... Lynn, I disagree. I know plenty of people who either already have money they could spend, or could very easily borrow money, and plenty either way. They will not now nor will they in the near future spend much, if any of that money. And they will not borrow any either, regardless of how easy it is. I have lousy credit, we were forced into bankruptcy by an unscrupulous creditor when my wife had cancer a few years ago. I can borrow money, if I want to. The credit crunch isn't so bad as you might think. But consumer confidence is so low that nothing is selling. A lot of people who have a fair amount of money because they are smart and work hard are spending it very conservatively. Racing is not cheap, broke stupid people either don't race, or they don't race long. That's why car counts are down, and will continue to be down. There's plenty of talk about how "negativity" is part of the problem. Well, maybe so, but dishonest "positive talk" won't help things either. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S