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63corvette · 03-15-2009, 12:34 PM

I attended the Phoenix National race and the fan count was down and the midway was much smaller than years past. Comp eliminator car count was next to nothing. I think there was 11 cars I am not sure.
I also have a personal friend who works at NHRA in Glendora and there was a 10% pay cut for all the hourly employees and a layoff of some. Not sure how many were laid off. So I think NHRA must be feeling a pinch.
My 2 Cents

Bruce Noland · 03-15-2009, 12:56 PM

Kenny,

It's good that we can disagree. But I did not see what you saw. Yes, there were a lot of people there but not like I have seen in the past. I walked right into the Out Back, Ballyhoo Seafood and a popular Mexican restaurant on three separate evenings and was immediately seated. We must have eaten at different times. And I guess, while we are politely disagreeing, the parking lots did not appear to be as full as before and the mid way was a lot easier to get around than any time before. And the car count was down over 100 cars on an already reduced quota. Just my .02 worth - we are not talking doom and gloom. Reality maybe - but no doom and gloom. There is no point in running from the obvious. That kind of stuff helped us get into the mess we are in. And we are in a mess. We all get up every day to go to work and do our part to help this country get out of this mess. I'm sure the folks at nhra are doing the same thing but it may be too little too late.

I have to add one remark about the seventies and agree with Alan. We have not seen the total picture yet. Most good economists are skipping over the 70's and going back to the 30's to paint a picture of the fix this country is in. We have not seen the whole picture yet. It is evolving and it would not be smart to ignore what is going on. It may not have hit some of us yet but many racers are hurting.

John Lang · 03-15-2009, 01:10 PM

63corvette!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anything said if the BIG DOGS took a 10% cut , or a temp layoff (heh,heh), Ya Right , Just curious!.............Later.........John

Colin Wigle · 03-15-2009, 01:15 PM

Bruce,

With all do respect, you have a tough decision to make either continue to support NHRA and the sport you love or take this opportunity to sell your operation no while it has a place to race and may retain some specific value. Bad press only adds to a tough situation! There are very few business in north America that are not feeling the same crunch.

Colin

Alan Roehrich · 03-15-2009, 01:33 PM

Colin,
Should we all stand around and applaud while NHRA repeatedly makes bad decisions? We pay dues, we pay entry fees, we pay license fees, but we should remain silent if we do not agree with what they do for (to) us? That is not how it works. See, originally, the idea was, we, the members, do not belong to NHRA, but rather NHRA belongs to us, the members. That is how it was originally intended to work. Somewhere along the time line, some people took control, and they decided that we, the racers, should belong to NHRA, and we should take whatever they decided to do to (for) us.

The point is, the dues paying entry fee paying members of NHRA should have a lot more say in what is going on. And if the "board of directors" of NHRA cannot stand scrutiny and criticism, then they should not be living the good life on our money.

Bruce Noland · 03-15-2009, 01:36 PM

cwigle,

I think your post is arrogant and out of line. I am entitled to my opinions. Don't read them if you don't like them. I'll eventually sell my stuff because I'm actively pursuing a land speed car but I won't sell it because someone I do not know offers me two alternatives. Grow up.

Ditto what Alan said!

Colin Wigle · 03-15-2009, 02:15 PM

Alan,

You have some very good points, if I have concerns or feel like I was treated unfairly I would not hesitate to take it up with NHRA. I don’t agree with how things are in s/s with regards to a lot of thing such as AHFS and I do not have the answers.

Bruce,

You call me out as being childish and arrogant that is fine, I too as everyone is entitled to they’re own opinion. It’s really my problem your negativity brings out the worst in me.

63corvette · 03-15-2009, 04:20 PM

John, I asked the same question about the Big Dogs and no one at the hourly level seemed to know. That was not publicized so I would guess not. If the Top Dogs had to take a salary cut they would have made big headlines out of it just to make sure everyone down the line knew.
NHRA is a non profit so the Big Dogs probably don't make much money anyway. RIGHT!!!!
All the Racer Fees went up anyway to cover those 10% pay cuts, OR IS MY MATH OFF?
My 2 Cents

bill dedman · 03-15-2009, 04:34 PM

>>>"All the Racer Fees went up anyway to cover those 10% pay cuts, OR IS MY MATH OFF?"

Sounds right to me!!! I LOVE IT!!!

You're too funny...

03-15-2009, 12:34 PM	#1
63corvette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canyon, Tx Posts: 552 Likes: 128 Liked 358 Times in 103 Posts	Re: So................... I attended the Phoenix National race and the fan count was down and the midway was much smaller than years past. Comp eliminator car count was next to nothing. I think there was 11 cars I am not sure. I also have a personal friend who works at NHRA in Glendora and there was a 10% pay cut for all the hourly employees and a layoff of some. Not sure how many were laid off. So I think NHRA must be feeling a pinch. My 2 Cents

03-15-2009, 12:56 PM	#2
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: So................... Kenny, It's good that we can disagree. But I did not see what you saw. Yes, there were a lot of people there but not like I have seen in the past. I walked right into the Out Back, Ballyhoo Seafood and a popular Mexican restaurant on three separate evenings and was immediately seated. We must have eaten at different times. And I guess, while we are politely disagreeing, the parking lots did not appear to be as full as before and the mid way was a lot easier to get around than any time before. And the car count was down over 100 cars on an already reduced quota. Just my .02 worth - we are not talking doom and gloom. Reality maybe - but no doom and gloom. There is no point in running from the obvious. That kind of stuff helped us get into the mess we are in. And we are in a mess. We all get up every day to go to work and do our part to help this country get out of this mess. I'm sure the folks at nhra are doing the same thing but it may be too little too late. I have to add one remark about the seventies and agree with Alan. We have not seen the total picture yet. Most good economists are skipping over the 70's and going back to the 30's to paint a picture of the fix this country is in. We have not seen the whole picture yet. It is evolving and it would not be smart to ignore what is going on. It may not have hit some of us yet but many racers are hurting. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 03-15-2009 at 01:06 PM.

03-15-2009, 01:10 PM	#3
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: So................... 63corvette!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anything said if the BIG DOGS took a 10% cut , or a temp layoff (heh,heh), Ya Right , Just curious!.............Later.........John __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS

03-15-2009, 01:15 PM	#4
Colin Wigle Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 50 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: So................... Bruce, With all do respect, you have a tough decision to make either continue to support NHRA and the sport you love or take this opportunity to sell your operation no while it has a place to race and may retain some specific value. Bad press only adds to a tough situation! There are very few business in north America that are not feeling the same crunch. Colin

03-15-2009, 01:33 PM	#5
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,113 Likes: 1,571 Liked 1,826 Times in 414 Posts	Re: So................... Colin, Should we all stand around and applaud while NHRA repeatedly makes bad decisions? We pay dues, we pay entry fees, we pay license fees, but we should remain silent if we do not agree with what they do for (to) us? That is not how it works. See, originally, the idea was, we, the members, do not belong to NHRA, but rather NHRA belongs to us, the members. That is how it was originally intended to work. Somewhere along the time line, some people took control, and they decided that we, the racers, should belong to NHRA, and we should take whatever they decided to do to (for) us. The point is, the dues paying entry fee paying members of NHRA should have a lot more say in what is going on. And if the "board of directors" of NHRA cannot stand scrutiny and criticism, then they should not be living the good life on our money. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

03-15-2009, 01:36 PM	#6
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: So................... cwigle, I think your post is arrogant and out of line. I am entitled to my opinions. Don't read them if you don't like them. I'll eventually sell my stuff because I'm actively pursuing a land speed car but I won't sell it because someone I do not know offers me two alternatives. Grow up. Ditto what Alan said! __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 03-15-2009 at 01:38 PM.

03-15-2009, 02:15 PM	#7
Colin Wigle Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 50 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: So................... Alan, You have some very good points, if I have concerns or feel like I was treated unfairly I would not hesitate to take it up with NHRA. I don’t agree with how things are in s/s with regards to a lot of thing such as AHFS and I do not have the answers. Bruce, You call me out as being childish and arrogant that is fine, I too as everyone is entitled to they’re own opinion. It’s really my problem your negativity brings out the worst in me.

03-15-2009, 04:20 PM	#8
63corvette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canyon, Tx Posts: 552 Likes: 128 Liked 358 Times in 103 Posts	Re: So................... John, I asked the same question about the Big Dogs and no one at the hourly level seemed to know. That was not publicized so I would guess not. If the Top Dogs had to take a salary cut they would have made big headlines out of it just to make sure everyone down the line knew. NHRA is a non profit so the Big Dogs probably don't make much money anyway. RIGHT!!!! All the Racer Fees went up anyway to cover those 10% pay cuts, OR IS MY MATH OFF? My 2 Cents Last edited by 63corvette; 03-15-2009 at 04:29 PM.

03-15-2009, 04:34 PM	#9
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: So................... >>>"All the Racer Fees went up anyway to cover those 10% pay cuts, OR IS MY MATH OFF?" Sounds right to me!!! I LOVE IT!!! You're too funny... __________________ Bill