Mustang MPH?

[Alan Roehrich]

On the 1967 Corvette L-88, Chevrolet and GM claim to have produced and sold 36 to the general public, and there are claims, Chevrolet and GM will neither confirm nor deny, that there were some 25-30 given to or sold at reduced prices to road racers receiving back door support through Vince Piggins and Zora Arkus-Duntov. The legitimacy of those claims (NHRA accepts the 36 from Chevrolet and GM) depends on who you talk to. The L-88 option included a radio and heater delete, so the car wasn't intended to be street driven.

The new Mustang subject has been beaten to death, and we're no better or worse off. At this point, there is little anyone can do except race.

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

On the 1967 Corvette L-88, Chevrolet and GM claim to have produced and sold 36 to the general public, and there are claims, Chevrolet and GM will neither confirm nor deny, that there were some 25-30 given to or sold at reduced prices to road racers receiving back door support through Vince Piggins and Zora Arkus-Duntov. The legitimacy of those claims (NHRA accepts the 36 from Chevrolet and GM) depends on who you talk to. The L-88 option included a radio and heater delete, so the car wasn't intended to be street driven.

The new Mustang subject has been beaten to death, and we're no better or worse off. At this point, there is little anyone can do except race.

Just wanted to clear up. GM produce 16-36 (depends who you talk to) 1967 L-88
1968 they produced over 100 (I think it was 108)
1969 112

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Terry Cain

Just wanted to clear up. GM produce 16-36 (depends who you talk to) 1967 L-88
1968 they produced over 100 (I think it was 108)
1969 112

Ive been a Corvette guy since before I could legaly drive and Im active in Corvette clubs. The acepted number is 20 bought by the general public. The 3 with original engines have the correct code block and matching vin #. Of course there are counterfits as there are about 500 more 435 HP cars running around than Chev. ever made. The others are give aways for SCCA racing and clones. Yes they were all radio and heater delete. No shielding on the distribator either from the factory. I will try to get the vin #'s when Im at Carlise in August. Look it up in the Corvette "Black Book". My '67 was one of 20 also with an M-22 trans produced but it had a 427/435 HP engine with iron heads (not ALUM). It was a true 10 second street (10.97 at 126 MPH) car in 1967 on 8 inch slicks. 4 1/2 MPG with 4.88 gears. Drove it every day when I had it. Wish I had it back.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Terry Cain

Just wanted to clear up. GM produce 16-36 (depends who you talk to) 1967 L-88
1968 they produced over 100 (I think it was 108)
1969 112

80 1968's and 116 1969's. Plus 2 ZL-1 Alum engined Corvette's but only one has documentation. A third guy is trying to pass one off as real but he also has no documentation.

[George Fitzpatrick]

The 1970 426 Hemi automatic which is currently rated at 457 which is 7 hp more than the super stock rating. The 1970 426 hemi Cuda or Challenger are no longer competitive with the Chevy Ford and Mopar wedge motors. This combo was penalized because of one run by one person that was made in unbelievable conditions in Bellrose, La. The AHFS really just can't look at it from a black and white situation there are some gray areas here. I know this for a fact because I have parked my Cuda I ran SS with it but unless you spend high dollars you can’t be competitive with a stocker disguised as a SS. And I’ve always liked stock, it has always been fun. Had some great times, miss it and all my friends (well I hope they’re my friends). Oh yeah, I can build another car but I like mine. So really all the Ford’s and Chevy’s and yes even Mopar guys you really don’t have anything to bitch about until you get hit with over 216 LBS in less than 18 months. Just think of this, the hemi combo has to weigh over 3820 lbs. in A/SA. and over 3940 in top stock. Wow why don’t I just attach my trailer and drag it with me. Egos will take over and someone in the new mustang will go very very fast. Time will tell. just my 2 cents.
George Fitzpatrick.

A/SA 1042 factored into extinction
SS/DA 1426

[bigshow2966]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Big Show,

I do remember the swift change you made to the so called NASCAR Hemi. Mopar wanted it in at 410 and you changed it to 430..right? Not sure if you had any arrangements with Mopar at that time or what information you recieved from them. Have you asked for any realistic performance data from Ford Racing Parts? Like dyno sheets? You have made a complete laughing stock out of the ahfs so don't expect any of us to have any faith in that old sham. What ya gonna do when these cars are turned loose? That is if you are still in business when they decide to do it.

Bruce, I think you have me confused with someone else. I have never changed the factor on any combination, but I have friends who have gotten their own changed.

The NASCAR Hemi is as bogus of a combination as you can get anyway. It was a "stroke-of-the-pen" answer to Hawk's "I remember when..." Shelby IIRC.

All I'm saying is that if the Ford being soft bothers you so much take some facts into the fight and change it.

Mr. Dedman's plea that someone who has spent $60+K on a car that will now get killed by the Mustang heads-up is pretty short sighted too. The Mustang guys spent at least $70K to get where they are.

That's the beauty of class racing and wanting to be the king of the hill. There's always someone with a bigger stick or fatter wallet waiting to knock you off.

[Floyd Staggs]

Did anybody notice none of the mustangs are at the division race in Phoenix this weekend?
Maybe they've gone into hibernation till Indy.

[7423]

Originally Posted by Floyd Staggs

Did anybody notice none of the mustangs are at the division race in Phoenix this weekend?
Maybe they've gone into hibernation till Indy.

Heard that 3 of those Ponies have been sold off. The one that Calvert drove is back home in Oklahoma.
But you know how rumors fly in the stocker pits......................

[bill dedman]

Big Show said, "Mr. Dedman's plea that someone who has spent $60+K on a car that will now get killed by the Mustang heads-up is pretty short sighted too. The Mustang guys spent at least $70K to get where they are."

Well, the fundamental difference is, the Mustangs are only "fast" (in their class) because NHRA "bought" Ford's suggested HP rating (which was straight out of "Alice in Wonderland,") lock, stock, and barrell. Most of the guys running really competitive A/S and A/SA cars (as well as AA/A) got there, not by the stroke of a pen, but by years of R & D (and, a lot of money) with a commbination that may or may not be "soft." at this time.

I think that's a significant difference.

The much-maligned NASCAR Hemi, it is reported, had HP added to its factor before one single run was made with that combination. NHRA apparently realized that they had made an error in assessing that engine's potential, and tried to correct it before any damage was done. I'm not criticizing NHRA for that, nor condoning it, but it was small potatoes compared to the glaring error that exists with regard to the HP debacle that exists with these 2008 CJ's... but NHRA tech was apparently paralyzed.

No action was taken, so what we have is an AHFS nightmare that will probably take a long time to straighten out. Years...

It didn't have to be that way.

But, all that aside, I too, am really glad these cars exist. I am all for new "blood" in the mix, and I hope the Dodges show up pretty soon. I just wish the factor on these 'Stangs was a little more based in reality.

[Jeff Teuton]

The 65 65 stock hemi single carb would be ok @ 430 if the manifold it came with was used instead of one required that wasn't made until 20 years later. And the 3 barrel that was used on them was allowed instead of the 850 double pumper. But then this is the same group that nixed all the things that the SRAC proposed for Stock and Super Stock.