GM axes performance division - Page 2

Lou SG2340 · 02-20-2009, 07:53 AM

It used to be said that how GM goes, so goes the country. I guess todays mess shows that to be true.

al wisniewski · 02-20-2009, 07:58 AM

Kudos to you Steve for your comment.I think the thing we are missing is this situation is a world wide thing.And it is not getting any better.Not that I was very fond of the big three workers that took advantage of the system,there were some who did work.And those guys were some of my customers.Unfortunately with their cutbacks,so goes their drag racing habit too.And we did some contract work too, that has been axed.It's a big snowball effect and that thing is still rolling downhill.The problems started at the top,even further up than the top mgmt. positions in the big three. Maybe we should go hunting for the guys that screwed all us investors and taxpayers out of billions of dollars who seem to be free roaming the countryside.It's gotta end sometime or those Mel Gibson movies won't seem so far fetched after all?

Michael Beard · 02-20-2009, 09:44 AM

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That plan calls for as much as $30 billion from taxpayers by 2011;

WhatwhatWHAT? I stopped buying GM products for a REASON. I don't expect to keep giving them money against my will.

Only ever owned one GM myself, a '97 Chevy dually 454, which I hated. My wife used to have an '05 Cobalt, which she had nothing but problems with. Folks who have had good luck with GM products and wish to support them - that's great -- but don't force me to subsidize a company that *I* don't want to buy products from anymore. (Then again, I don't want to subsidize Chrysler with *more* of my money either, because I've already *bought* their products and shouldn't have to pay more!)

Happy owner of an '04 Ram 1500 4.7L and an '08 Charger 3.5L.

KEN BUGAJ · 02-20-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard

WhatwhatWHAT? I stopped buying GM products for a REASON. I don't expect to keep giving them money against my will.

Only ever owned one GM myself, a '97 Chevy dually 454, which I hated. My wife used to have an '05 Cobalt, which she had nothing but problems with. Folks who have had good luck with GM products and wish to support them - that's great -- but don't force me to subsidize a company that *I* don't want to buy products from anymore. (Then again, I don't want to subsidize Chrysler with *more* of my money either, because I've already *bought* their products and shouldn't have to pay more!)

Happy owner of an '04 Ram 1500 4.7L and an '08 Charger 3.5L.

Michael your dead on, I'm a GM guy and have been for year's.
The UAW has been a joke for year's.
When things were good they held a gun to Corp. GM and GM had to buy into it.
Now things are bad and will the UAW work with GM? NO !
Why, Because they know the Democrat's will bail GM out again. with our $$$$
They need to file and get it over with, They can make it through this, but their cost's need to get in line with
the other auto maker's.
We need to turn the $$$$ off.

Terry Cain · 02-20-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by larrylomascolo

the north america free trade agreement,NAFTA, started all this bull, it opened the door wide open for foriegn imports into this country and our exports to thier country was not near the the same numbers,we got it right up the wazoo,my town of 33,000 just closed a G.M. dealership that has been here for 60 years,sucks

So, So right. Let's see. The companies go over seas to produce, get away from payroll taxes and regulations, cheap labor, (sometimes sweat shop labor) give exec's bonuses for doing it, that no one in their biggest dream is worth and then they have the balls to ask for tax payer help. Don't get me wrong. I'm a strong supporter of union labor. Been a union member for over 40 yrs. The union didn't decide to "out source" jobs.
I've said for years that the politicians will one day wake up and realize they don't get tax money when the jobs go over seas. DUH!
I don't have the answer but it's getting scary.

junior barns · 02-20-2009, 10:08 AM

It's all ready scary!!

Bart Kilraine · 02-20-2009, 10:59 AM

Products aren't sold unless they are bought! Who buys the foriegn stuff...? Go look in the mirror.

Ron Ortiz · 02-20-2009, 10:59 AM

The big three have not built a single car in over 20 years that has been totally 100% American.
Components from all over the world are used in their construction. I believe there is only one manufacturer in the world that builds their car totally within their country. Who is it?
Everything around us has been out sourced in some way. Take a look at all the things around you, the coffe maker, the refridgerator, stove, light switches, wiring, glass, etc, where was it built or imported from? Overseas. We live in a global economy and have been living it for a long time. The old saying "it's just business" is ever so true. Companies are always looking to save money and line their pockets, they do not care where they do it, it is just business. (greed) The big three are no different. The ones who suffer are the ones who are employed by these business people. Did you not know something was wrong when GM offered employee discounts on vehicles to the general public, what a slap in the face for the GM worker.
The USA is the strongest country on this planet. When it has financial difficulties, so does the rest of the world. Why, because we are the largest user of the rest of the worlds products.
I have owned Fords, Chrysler, and GM products. They each have their advantages as well as disadvantages. Out of all of them a Dodge Dart with a 318 was the best long lasting car. That is until I got my wife a brand new Hyundai. $9,000 and a ten year 100,000 mile warranty. Hey BIG 3 where are your warranties and pricing at. Hyundai has their own steel mills, shipping ports, and ships. Shouldn't someone take note of this alignment in production and delivery. It is not the country where things are made, it is the people who run the company that is the problem.
Now what really blows me away is how a company like Chrysler can get bailed out repeatedly. Does'nt anybody see what the hell is going on. I bet every small business in the country would like to recieve some of this money if things were a little tough. And here is our wonderful government giving bailout money to companies who are doing more damage than good with the funding.
It seems that the higher you go up in a company or government the more corrupt it is. There is your answer. Time to clean up the Senate and Congress.
And for all you out there that refuse to buy anything other than American, it is time to start removing alot of things in your house as they were made elsewhere. I love my country, and have fought for it, but I do not trust the government or any other countries government.

Ron Ortiz

GarysZ24 · 02-20-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by larrylomascolo

the north america free trade agreement,NAFTA, started all this bull, it opened the door wide open for foriegn imports into this country and our exports to thier country was not near the the same numbers,we got it right up the wazoo,my town of 33,000 just closed a G.M. dealership that has been here for 60 years,sucks

Yeah, and they talk about free trade, when a Japanese envoy from Washington even wrote an article that was in the Denver "Rocky Mountain News" (plus other national papers I'm sure), talking about the bureacracy of trade within Japan...which cause American/European vehicles sold in Japan to be hit with enough penalties to be double (or more) the cost of a comparable Japanese home-grown vehicle...what happened to our tariffs???

Steve Williams · 02-21-2009, 12:39 AM

Michael Beard-Thanks for your reply and I see that we do have some common ground, NO ONE has been complaining about the banking business as far as I've seen here.

Sean, I got just a few choice words for you-You my friend are what my Grandmother from the Old Country used to say and it might lose some in translation-Arre thiiesnn tu bient!

You are an incompetent fool who sucks on donkey ***! Hate to say it but you don't represent DIV 6 well in any respect. Shut your piehole Sir as you are digging yourself a hole that cannot be dug out of. You have no idea what this is all about. Go play with your mini van OK. A competitive product? You my friend are an uninformed bunghole.
Look at sales figures for North American Vehicles. I rest my case.

Have a nice day

Steve Williams

02-20-2009, 07:53 AM	#1
Lou SG2340 Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Disputanta Va (30 minutes from VMP) Posts: 122 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: GM axes performance division It used to be said that how GM goes, so goes the country. I guess todays mess shows that to be true.

02-20-2009, 07:58 AM	#2
al wisniewski Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: auburn,mi. Posts: 56 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: GM axes performance division Kudos to you Steve for your comment.I think the thing we are missing is this situation is a world wide thing.And it is not getting any better.Not that I was very fond of the big three workers that took advantage of the system,there were some who did work.And those guys were some of my customers.Unfortunately with their cutbacks,so goes their drag racing habit too.And we did some contract work too, that has been axed.It's a big snowball effect and that thing is still rolling downhill.The problems started at the top,even further up than the top mgmt. positions in the big three. Maybe we should go hunting for the guys that screwed all us investors and taxpayers out of billions of dollars who seem to be free roaming the countryside.It's gotta end sometime or those Mel Gibson movies won't seem so far fetched after all?

02-20-2009, 10:08 AM	#6
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: GM axes performance division It's all ready scary!!

02-20-2009, 10:59 AM	#7
Bart Kilraine Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Carrolltown,PA Posts: 119 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Re: GM axes performance division Products aren't sold unless they are bought! Who buys the foriegn stuff...? Go look in the mirror.

02-20-2009, 10:59 AM	#8
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 990 Likes: 36 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: GM axes performance division The big three have not built a single car in over 20 years that has been totally 100% American. Components from all over the world are used in their construction. I believe there is only one manufacturer in the world that builds their car totally within their country. Who is it? Everything around us has been out sourced in some way. Take a look at all the things around you, the coffe maker, the refridgerator, stove, light switches, wiring, glass, etc, where was it built or imported from? Overseas. We live in a global economy and have been living it for a long time. The old saying "it's just business" is ever so true. Companies are always looking to save money and line their pockets, they do not care where they do it, it is just business. (greed) The big three are no different. The ones who suffer are the ones who are employed by these business people. Did you not know something was wrong when GM offered employee discounts on vehicles to the general public, what a slap in the face for the GM worker. The USA is the strongest country on this planet. When it has financial difficulties, so does the rest of the world. Why, because we are the largest user of the rest of the worlds products. I have owned Fords, Chrysler, and GM products. They each have their advantages as well as disadvantages. Out of all of them a Dodge Dart with a 318 was the best long lasting car. That is until I got my wife a brand new Hyundai. $9,000 and a ten year 100,000 mile warranty. Hey BIG 3 where are your warranties and pricing at. Hyundai has their own steel mills, shipping ports, and ships. Shouldn't someone take note of this alignment in production and delivery. It is not the country where things are made, it is the people who run the company that is the problem. Now what really blows me away is how a company like Chrysler can get bailed out repeatedly. Does'nt anybody see what the hell is going on. I bet every small business in the country would like to recieve some of this money if things were a little tough. And here is our wonderful government giving bailout money to companies who are doing more damage than good with the funding. It seems that the higher you go up in a company or government the more corrupt it is. There is your answer. Time to clean up the Senate and Congress. And for all you out there that refuse to buy anything other than American, it is time to start removing alot of things in your house as they were made elsewhere. I love my country, and have fought for it, but I do not trust the government or any other countries government. Ron Ortiz __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

02-21-2009, 12:39 AM	#10
Steve Williams Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 352 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: GM axes performance division Michael Beard-Thanks for your reply and I see that we do have some common ground, NO ONE has been complaining about the banking business as far as I've seen here. Sean, I got just a few choice words for you-You my friend are what my Grandmother from the Old Country used to say and it might lose some in translation-Arre thiiesnn tu bient! You are an incompetent fool who sucks on donkey ***! Hate to say it but you don't represent DIV 6 well in any respect. Shut your piehole Sir as you are digging yourself a hole that cannot be dug out of. You have no idea what this is all about. Go play with your mini van OK. A competitive product? You my friend are an uninformed bunghole. Look at sales figures for North American Vehicles. I rest my case. Have a nice day Steve Williams