Last Year of Modified? Question - Page 5

Robert Swartz · 02-11-2009, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Modified was great but lets talk about the bad side....costs and breakage. Everytime something new came out you had to have it. Driveline breakage was pretty bad and engine breakage could also put you out of action quickly. We raced a car out of our shop in C/SM. I recall one run at Maple Grove where we broke the clutch, fixed it in a hurry and the car wouldn't move after replacing the clutch. The trans was also broken and the rear had damage as well we later found out. Folded the splines on some axles........took the motor out and apart practically after every race to puff it up. Other guys that had machine work done at our shop had all the same stories. I recall one guy built his own engine for D/MP and he was a very competetive car.....the engine blew up on T/K's dyno and that ended that racers drive to continue. Another guy was the class winner from the E-Town SummerNationals and won pretty regularly with it. He blew his engine and sold the car.....My friend bought it to replace his Camaro.....becasue the Novas were better? When we went to pick it up an exhaust valve head fell out of one of the headers.....The guy said....."so thats where that went!" The costs were too high for the average guy to keep up with. I loved the category but I saw a ton of breakage, Only the top guys had all the best stuff to try and limit that breakage.....

As much fun as this thread is. Rich, you're dead on. These cars were alot of fun but, honestly, they took buckets full of money to run back in their day. We can wax poetic but if you were resurrect this kind of a class today! Short of getting some of the stimulus money, I just don't know many people that could field one of these cars.

What made many of them really neat, they weren't terribly sophsticated. They did have killer motors with 4 (and later 5) speed transmissions. Many of the E-F-G (both MP & Gas) cars were heavy, as others have said, very breakage prone. The chassis weren't trick by todays standards. Short of having the springs moved inward, most stockers today are more trick than the average modified car was 30 years ago. I was around some of the local cars in the early 70's and they were downright crude.

Have to admit, when I was a pup, modified was a helluva show.

Robert Swartz

SPS · 02-11-2009, 07:45 PM

Thanks to Bob Rice for the pic.

I don't recall where that was taken but I see the "R" on the window.
...and my wife sure looks a lot younger {she says}

FJ

Bob Rice · 02-11-2009, 08:04 PM

FJ,
That was taken at Suffolk.
Bob Rice

Rich Biebel · 02-11-2009, 08:06 PM

I once saw a Camaro running B/MP I think eject the entire rear out the back of the car at E-Town. Talk about violent and breakage! The clutches and discs of the era were the real problem. Then there was the Mazda...Samurai Warrior......Ear piercing thing and nobody could catch him. I think the fact that all the cars were manual transmissions and the RPM's were way up there especially on the small motors is why everyone loved it. I know I still enjoy watching most of the big power "handshift" Stockers and SS'ers make a run.

SPS · 02-11-2009, 08:07 PM

Robert/ Rich:

I think that most of us involved at the time would argue about the cost or sophistication of the Modified cars of the time. {yes, this was 30 years ago, not today} . These were well-built cars , as good as the parts available.
Examples would be Arlen Fadley's Maverick,{one of my toughest competitors}, arguably one of the first body-in-white cars ever built. Or my own Camaro, built in the mid 70's with a 4-link under the stock floor and stock frame rails {within the rules of the time}.

Remember, we raced at least 3 times a week and made probably 4 times as many runs a year as today.

I don't agree that it took buckets of money to race or be competitive as I sure didn't have a lot.. Instead , hard work and determination was the key to success. No crying when you got beat. Instead you went home and went to work. {sometimes I'm amazed we did that much work}

One of the best parts in my memory of Modified was the recognition by your competition when you ran well. No hard feelings here, just excellent competition by a close-knit group of racers with the same competitive spirit.

FJ

Rich Biebel · 02-11-2009, 09:00 PM

FJ...I guess it is mostly how commited you are to the sport. Your abilities are much higher than the average guy I would have to say. From the cars that you build/built and for your on track performance as well. Everyone knew you and your cars.....I know we did....We were a small engine shop and tried to promote the business and field a couple of cars in various classes. We did not have the budget for it I can tell you that and we did work hard. My friend and co-workers C/SM car (Dennis Siderko), qualified #3 at E-Town behind Billy Mansell and Garley Daniels one year and we were subsequently tossed in teardown for some marks further than 1/2" into the intake port. It was a real arbitrary call and we agrued it for a longtime but got nowhere. That single event was very devastating to our efforts. We continued but it was never the same after that. Many of the guys I recall were garage owners or other various automotive business owners. The guys running at the top of the category like Arlen Fadley were a long way from many of the weekend racers. We did pretty well here and there but it was tough to keep up and the amount of time and work needed was real tough to sustain.........nice talking to you.....Rich

SPS · 02-11-2009, 09:30 PM

Rich:
Thanks for the accolades.

It sure was fun ...and yes, probably a ton of work but worth every minute. I really believe everybody involved appreciated the work each other was doing.

Racing in Modified with the likes of Paul Mercure, Arlen Fadely, the late Larry Kopp, Bob Kamp, Don Coonce, and so many others is one of the best memories I have in drag racing.

FJ

MEMORIES · 02-12-2009, 12:41 AM

Does anyone remember who won the NHRA modified title the last year it was run, 1981?

Mark Yacavone · 02-12-2009, 12:58 AM

You're from Tulsa?

Mike Edwards

Tom P · 02-12-2009, 02:37 AM

The same Mike Edwards who seemed to be doing OK in Pro Stock yesterday ?

Is the Jim Head listed the current funny car guy?

Nice to hear FJ pipe in on this.
I only ever saw the last season of the class though some of the cars continued to run a few years afterwards. What flywheels did you guys run?

It seemed to take longer to wind down after being revved than my bench grinder.

02-11-2009, 07:45 PM	#42
SPS Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Cayuga, Canada Posts: 298 Likes: 37 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Last Year of Modified? Question Thanks to Bob Rice for the pic. I don't recall where that was taken but I see the "R" on the window. ...and my wife sure looks a lot younger {she says} FJ

02-11-2009, 08:04 PM	#43
Bob Rice Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 617 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Last Year of Modified? Question FJ, That was taken at Suffolk. Bob Rice

02-11-2009, 08:06 PM	#44
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Last Year of Modified? Question I once saw a Camaro running B/MP I think eject the entire rear out the back of the car at E-Town. Talk about violent and breakage! The clutches and discs of the era were the real problem. Then there was the Mazda...Samurai Warrior......Ear piercing thing and nobody could catch him. I think the fact that all the cars were manual transmissions and the RPM's were way up there especially on the small motors is why everyone loved it. I know I still enjoy watching most of the big power "handshift" Stockers and SS'ers make a run. __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

02-11-2009, 08:07 PM	#45
SPS Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Cayuga, Canada Posts: 298 Likes: 37 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Last Year of Modified? Question Robert/ Rich: I think that most of us involved at the time would argue about the cost or sophistication of the Modified cars of the time. {yes, this was 30 years ago, not today} . These were well-built cars , as good as the parts available. Examples would be Arlen Fadley's Maverick,{one of my toughest competitors}, arguably one of the first body-in-white cars ever built. Or my own Camaro, built in the mid 70's with a 4-link under the stock floor and stock frame rails {within the rules of the time}. Remember, we raced at least 3 times a week and made probably 4 times as many runs a year as today. I don't agree that it took buckets of money to race or be competitive as I sure didn't have a lot.. Instead , hard work and determination was the key to success. No crying when you got beat. Instead you went home and went to work. {sometimes I'm amazed we did that much work} One of the best parts in my memory of Modified was the recognition by your competition when you ran well. No hard feelings here, just excellent competition by a close-knit group of racers with the same competitive spirit. FJ

02-11-2009, 09:00 PM	#46
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Last Year of Modified? Question FJ...I guess it is mostly how commited you are to the sport. Your abilities are much higher than the average guy I would have to say. From the cars that you build/built and for your on track performance as well. Everyone knew you and your cars.....I know we did....We were a small engine shop and tried to promote the business and field a couple of cars in various classes. We did not have the budget for it I can tell you that and we did work hard. My friend and co-workers C/SM car (Dennis Siderko), qualified #3 at E-Town behind Billy Mansell and Garley Daniels one year and we were subsequently tossed in teardown for some marks further than 1/2" into the intake port. It was a real arbitrary call and we agrued it for a longtime but got nowhere. That single event was very devastating to our efforts. We continued but it was never the same after that. Many of the guys I recall were garage owners or other various automotive business owners. The guys running at the top of the category like Arlen Fadley were a long way from many of the weekend racers. We did pretty well here and there but it was tough to keep up and the amount of time and work needed was real tough to sustain.........nice talking to you.....Rich __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

02-11-2009, 09:30 PM	#47
SPS Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Cayuga, Canada Posts: 298 Likes: 37 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Last Year of Modified? Question Rich: Thanks for the accolades. It sure was fun ...and yes, probably a ton of work but worth every minute. I really believe everybody involved appreciated the work each other was doing. Racing in Modified with the likes of Paul Mercure, Arlen Fadely, the late Larry Kopp, Bob Kamp, Don Coonce, and so many others is one of the best memories I have in drag racing. FJ

02-12-2009, 12:41 AM	#48
MEMORIES Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 298 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Does anyone remember who won the NHRA modified title the last year it was run, 1981? Last edited by MEMORIES; 02-12-2009 at 07:04 AM.

02-12-2009, 12:58 AM	#49
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,809 Likes: 2,900 Liked 5,113 Times in 1,948 Posts	Re: Last Year of Modified? Question You're from Tulsa? Mike Edwards __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

02-12-2009, 02:37 AM	#50
Tom P Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 707 Likes: 30 Liked 239 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Last Year of Modified? Question The same Mike Edwards who seemed to be doing OK in Pro Stock yesterday ? Is the Jim Head listed the current funny car guy? Nice to hear FJ pipe in on this. I only ever saw the last season of the class though some of the cars continued to run a few years afterwards. What flywheels did you guys run? It seemed to take longer to wind down after being revved than my bench grinder.