8.997 in GT/AA ?

Paul Hellenberg · 02-04-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Dumb Question but if he got 11 hp but the record stands does that mean he weighed enough to have been correct wt for the NEW HP? If he got HP how could he still be the new record holder at a light wt? He would not be legal for the class at the wt he set the record correct?
Dick
Congrats on running that fast. Sadly another example of factoring issues, but an example of some progress on AHFS.
Good luck to the Small block cars who had it handled till this motor was discovered.

Dick
He got the HP as the result of the record. The 11HP is effective now so he was legal at the time.

Paul

Ed Wright · 02-04-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Hellenberg

Dick
He got the HP as the result of the record. The 11HP is effective now so he was legal at the time.

Paul

A friend of Frank's told me about NHRA taking the record back. Hopefully he got that straigtened out. He should not have to tear it down for nothing. 11 hp won't hurt that car. He will still be dangerous.

Stewart Way · 02-04-2009, 06:40 PM

Early in this thread it was stated that he ran 8.99 and 9.18. How can the 9.18 backup the 8.99 since it is not within 1%? Rulebook says the faster can backup the slower if greater than 1% difference but the slower must be within 1% to count the faster as a record. Maybe there was another run quicker than 9.09?

Dick Butler · 02-05-2009, 08:37 AM

I understand the discussion that he was legal at the time but if they now feel he earned 11 HP because of going so fast related to other class cars how is it sensible that another combination could take the record?
I think it is a" two edged sword" A helpful fix for the HP but which motor that has been hit with HP 3 or 4 times can be expected to chase that record?
In no way do I mean to minimize the hard work to go that fast.

Smitty · 02-05-2009, 02:11 PM

That combo is probably as stout as the 454's the Camaro's and the Firebird guys are running at almost 70 hp less. 336hp on a 454 vs 327hp on the 350's (might be wrong on the 350 hp) still no comparison. 8.99 is an awesome run at altitude, hopefully he will come east to Bradenton next week and let that thing hang out and see what it really has.
If I am not mistaken the 454 carries about a 72lb disadvantage to the 350. I don't think that 72 lbs will do much to the car, he was almost 1.00 under on the first shot. That's a bad piece he has under the hood.

Tom P · 02-05-2009, 04:02 PM

8.77 daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!

I hope he brings it to a non altitude track to silence the critics.

Bill Kennedy · 02-06-2009, 12:14 PM

Smitty, you are correct on the HP on the 350.

Bryan Worner · 02-06-2009, 04:31 PM

First I want to say congrats to Frank and his crew on an outstanding run!!

How don't some of you understand this whole AHFS yet?? If horsepower is given to a combination, and that combo happens to be the record holder, that record goes back to a minimum!! So he did set the record with his run, but that record goes back to the minimum once the horsepower is assessed! He will still get his paper from NHRA stating he set the record.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99.9% sure I'm correct.

02-04-2009, 06:40 PM	#3
Stewart Way Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 476 Likes: 20 Liked 70 Times in 22 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? Early in this thread it was stated that he ran 8.99 and 9.18. How can the 9.18 backup the 8.99 since it is not within 1%? Rulebook says the faster can backup the slower if greater than 1% difference but the slower must be within 1% to count the faster as a record. Maybe there was another run quicker than 9.09?

02-05-2009, 08:37 AM	#4
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? I understand the discussion that he was legal at the time but if they now feel he earned 11 HP because of going so fast related to other class cars how is it sensible that another combination could take the record? I think it is a" two edged sword" A helpful fix for the HP but which motor that has been hit with HP 3 or 4 times can be expected to chase that record? In no way do I mean to minimize the hard work to go that fast.

02-05-2009, 02:11 PM	#5
Smitty Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gibsonton, FL Posts: 267 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? That combo is probably as stout as the 454's the Camaro's and the Firebird guys are running at almost 70 hp less. 336hp on a 454 vs 327hp on the 350's (might be wrong on the 350 hp) still no comparison. 8.99 is an awesome run at altitude, hopefully he will come east to Bradenton next week and let that thing hang out and see what it really has. If I am not mistaken the 454 carries about a 72lb disadvantage to the 350. I don't think that 72 lbs will do much to the car, he was almost 1.00 under on the first shot. That's a bad piece he has under the hood. Last edited by Smitty; 02-06-2009 at 01:10 PM. Reason: corrected hp factors

02-05-2009, 04:02 PM	#6
Tom P Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 707 Likes: 30 Liked 239 Times in 94 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? 8.77 daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn! I hope he brings it to a non altitude track to silence the critics.

02-06-2009, 12:14 PM	#7
Bill Kennedy Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 306 Likes: 146 Liked 37 Times in 11 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? Smitty, you are correct on the HP on the 350. __________________ Bill Kennedy 1671 SS

02-06-2009, 04:31 PM	#8
Bryan Worner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Duncannon, PA Posts: 825 Likes: 136 Liked 535 Times in 86 Posts	Re: 8.997 in GT/AA ? First I want to say congrats to Frank and his crew on an outstanding run!! How don't some of you understand this whole AHFS yet?? If horsepower is given to a combination, and that combo happens to be the record holder, that record goes back to a minimum!! So he did set the record with his run, but that record goes back to the minimum once the horsepower is assessed! He will still get his paper from NHRA stating he set the record. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99.9% sure I'm correct.