Where have all the contingencies gone??? WOW!!!

Yo Ken · 01-28-2009, 09:55 AM

Kent,

I think it is a good idea. I would be willing to have a section for any company that wishes to pay contingency without going through NHRA. It would have to be a closed forum. I do not want Class Racer to become the battle ground for racers there are not happy if they do not get there contingency in a timely manner. The company would be the only one to be able to post. They can list the races they will pay, requirements and how much they will pay.

They only issue is, if there are any conflicts with NHRA. I'm not sure if there is any legal issues involved. This is a area that I'm not sure about, and may not be legal.

Eric Merryfield · 01-28-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by admin

Kent,

I think it is a good idea. I would be willing to have a section for any company that wishes to pay contingency without going through NHRA. It would have to be a closed forum. I do not want Class Racer to become the battle ground for racers there are not happy if they do not get there contingency in a timely manner. The company would be the only one to be able to post. They can list the races they will pay, requirements and how much they will pay.

They only issues is, if there are any conflict with NHRA. I'm not sure if there is any legal issues involved. This is a area that I'm not sure about, and may not be legal.

I am not a lawyer, Cambria is though, so his take on it would likely carry the day.

Common sense would likley dictate that If there is no issue with Turbo Action, then there should be no issue with other companies, as long as they don't run afoul of the decency code enforced by both the ihra and nhra for good reason.

All you would have to do would be put a ongoing link in the competitors section to the companies website. Companies should update their websites to reflect such.

I think this is a wonderful idea. It would let any company that want to promote do so cost effectively. Lets face it, contigency payments would make a 100% difference for a lot of purchases ie PANTS, safety belts, etc. Or say an engine builder.........Getting paid for class wins, qualifying, even if its super small would make a huge difference in my purchasing decisions.

If the NHRA had an issue with it, it could spark a revolution............

Eric Merryfield

Stk 1883

Ron Ortiz · 01-28-2009, 11:50 AM

Calculate how many classes there are in say Stock Eliminator. Now multiply that number by the dollar amount posted for a win in each class. Example: 50 classes X $100 = $5,000. That is the amount that a sponsor has to pony up at a race for class winners. If there are only 20 class winners, there is only $2,000 paid out, guess where the other $3,000. goes.

If sponsors were involved like we are talking about in this thread, then the payouts would probably increase as the sponsor is only paying out what is deserved, and is still able to keep the rest.

Of course NHRA is not going to be very happy about this scenario.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA common sense.

Harry 6674 · 01-28-2009, 12:08 PM

If this were to happen in a big way could nhra in return not allow any decals on the car that was not a part of their program? I'd bet nhra would try something like that. Seems their way of doing business.

Randall Klein · 01-28-2009, 12:19 PM

of course NHRA is not going to be very happy about this

Maybe the best reason to do it!

It is obvious the world is in a true paradigm shift, what once was, is no more; we are intimately and immediately connected, and there are new paths to information and doing business

It was said that the rise of fax machines helped lead the demise of the Soviet Union, as dictators could not control the free flow of information

NHRA is stuck in the old methodology, like record label companies, Blockbuster video, land line phones, having mother NHRA as a conduit between racers and contingencies....new business skips middlemen, cuts beuracracy and connects supplier to user

NHRA does count on us fighting amonst ourselves to wit: Alex getting creamed by a few at the US Class Nationals, Tueton's SRA and other fledgling efforts to organize, however their arrogance may eventually drive Class racers to bond together.

Good luck to us

John Lang · 01-28-2009, 12:40 PM

Mr. Klein. DITTO! on what you said , and most of the rest of you gentlemen , ! John Lang

tpoh815 · 01-28-2009, 06:28 PM

I have spent the night with Janine Turner and I would rather have the contingencys back ok!

Myron Piatek · 01-28-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tpoh815

I have spent the night with Janine Turner and I would rather have the contingencys back ok!

Why? Is too much money going towards child support?

http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geunp...nineturner.jpg

Ken Haase · 01-28-2009, 12:34 PM

I am not an attorney, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. (plus I've seen every episode of Law & Order)

Companies that have already posted for '09 with N/IHRA probably would have to ride out this season with them. But, that wouldn't prevent them from posting on this site and letting racers know their intentions. The current economic state has probably forced some to not participate in the contingency programs with the sanctioning bodies. Especially the rip-off version in 'N'. And there may be a connection between their advertising rates in ND if not part of the contingency program.

Bottom line, contingencies are rewards for advertising a product. Which every decal on every racecar does even if it's not in the winner's circle. That is something every manufacturer should consider. Unhappy racers removing decals hurts their exposure with the very consumers they're trying to reach. Having their own section on this site would be the cheapest advertising they're ever going to find.

This is just one example. Based on feedback from racer's on this site(admittedly a small sampling) I would not buy product from JW. However, I'm sure their view is I have about as much chance standing in a winner's circle as I do spending the night with Janine Turner. And they're right, of course.

01-28-2009, 09:55 AM	#1
Yo Ken Administrator Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 220 Likes: 13 Liked 587 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Where have all the contingencies gone??? WOW!!! Kent, I think it is a good idea. I would be willing to have a section for any company that wishes to pay contingency without going through NHRA. It would have to be a closed forum. I do not want Class Racer to become the battle ground for racers there are not happy if they do not get there contingency in a timely manner. The company would be the only one to be able to post. They can list the races they will pay, requirements and how much they will pay. They only issue is, if there are any conflicts with NHRA. I'm not sure if there is any legal issues involved. This is a area that I'm not sure about, and may not be legal. __________________ Administrator Class Racer.com

01-28-2009, 11:50 AM	#3
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Where have all the contingencies gone??? WOW!!! Calculate how many classes there are in say Stock Eliminator. Now multiply that number by the dollar amount posted for a win in each class. Example: 50 classes X $100 = $5,000. That is the amount that a sponsor has to pony up at a race for class winners. If there are only 20 class winners, there is only $2,000 paid out, guess where the other $3,000. goes. If sponsors were involved like we are talking about in this thread, then the payouts would probably increase as the sponsor is only paying out what is deserved, and is still able to keep the rest. Of course NHRA is not going to be very happy about this scenario. Ron Ortiz U/SA common sense. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

01-28-2009, 12:08 PM	#4
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Where have all the contingencies gone??? WOW!!! If this were to happen in a big way could nhra in return not allow any decals on the car that was not a part of their program? I'd bet nhra would try something like that. Seems their way of doing business.

01-28-2009, 12:19 PM	#5
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Where have all the contingencies gone??? WOW!!! of course NHRA is not going to be very happy about this Maybe the best reason to do it! It is obvious the world is in a true paradigm shift, what once was, is no more; we are intimately and immediately connected, and there are new paths to information and doing business It was said that the rise of fax machines helped lead the demise of the Soviet Union, as dictators could not control the free flow of information NHRA is stuck in the old methodology, like record label companies, Blockbuster video, land line phones, having mother NHRA as a conduit between racers and contingencies....new business skips middlemen, cuts beuracracy and connects supplier to user NHRA does count on us fighting amonst ourselves to wit: Alex getting creamed by a few at the US Class Nationals, Tueton's SRA and other fledgling efforts to organize, however their arrogance may eventually drive Class racers to bond together. Good luck to us

01-28-2009, 12:40 PM	#6
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Where have all the contingencies gone??? WOW!!! Mr. Klein. DITTO! on what you said , and most of the rest of you gentlemen , ! John Lang __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS

01-28-2009, 06:28 PM	#7
tpoh815 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: West Seneca Posts: 537 Likes: 62 Liked 28 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Where have all the contingencies gone??? WOW!!! I have spent the night with Janine Turner and I would rather have the contingencys back ok! __________________ EX 5-Doorstocker

01-28-2009, 12:34 PM	#9
Ken Haase Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 233 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Where have all the contingencies gone??? WOW!!! I am not an attorney, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. (plus I've seen every episode of Law & Order) Companies that have already posted for '09 with N/IHRA probably would have to ride out this season with them. But, that wouldn't prevent them from posting on this site and letting racers know their intentions. The current economic state has probably forced some to not participate in the contingency programs with the sanctioning bodies. Especially the rip-off version in 'N'. And there may be a connection between their advertising rates in ND if not part of the contingency program. Bottom line, contingencies are rewards for advertising a product. Which every decal on every racecar does even if it's not in the winner's circle. That is something every manufacturer should consider. Unhappy racers removing decals hurts their exposure with the very consumers they're trying to reach. Having their own section on this site would be the cheapest advertising they're ever going to find. This is just one example. Based on feedback from racer's on this site(admittedly a small sampling) I would not buy product from JW. However, I'm sure their view is I have about as much chance standing in a winner's circle as I do spending the night with Janine Turner. And they're right, of course.