Explain to me again, please

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by john ancona

I have to believe Terry when he says $ 2100.00 for the lifters ,I know about a year ago I paid $ 1800 .00 . You are trying to spin the conversation from a lifter that in needed because of the enhancements to some kind of advantage , you can't tell me that you and others will remove the enhancements you have already took advantage of , from what I can see on here you never complained about any of them witch I am sure you have on your car ,it seems to me that you have a self serving interest on here telling others what to do ,and you use the We as if you know what's best for you but say we to help booster your opinion ,you are only one of the over fifteen hundred stock racers in the country ,so from what I read on here when you make these statements like Leave the rules alone ,and we don't need another poll it is as if you want to tell others what to do ,just like you have in the past !

John,
are you saying I HAVE TOLD OTHERS WHAT TO DO IN THE PAST?

[john ancona]

Originally Posted by Terry Cain

John,
are you saying I HAVE TOLD OTHERS WHAT TO DO IN THE PAST?

No ! Look back at my post from 2016 ,and you will see who I am referring to !
Those that choose to be the spokesman for other racers are the ones that I am speaking of !

You would also be giving the .904 shaft mounted system the much needed upper hand.
I don’t know anyone who is having issues with lifters or flat tappet cams.

What else is there to explain?

Maybe If the AHFS was working as intended ………it wouldn’t be an issue. ?
Just the cost alone for lifters, bushings, pushrods and a cam or three is enough to discourage the move. I am one of those guys who doesn’t need the additional cost associated.
Keep asking for Superstock parts and that where we will end up.

Look at my history I’ve been fighting against rule changes for a pretty long time. Go back to when I raced my first stocker I was fighting against the rule changes. Has nothing to do with being self-serving. I don’t race a car with roller lifters I have never owned a car with roller lifters. I don’t like the rules getting further away from Stock they are right now. That is my position. If you want to race cars roller lifters build a combination with roller lifters. And your argument could just be turned around and put your name in front of it. How can you speak for 1500 people that you think want rule changes? The problem is one racer thinks we should have roller lifters but he’s not looking at the cost on top of it or where it takes the engine program . It’s just now “I can buy roller lifters now it’s cheaper and I can go racing faster” has nothing to do with any of the other issues that pop up from it.

Originally Posted by john ancona

I have to believe Terry when he says $ 2100.00 for the lifters ,I know about a year ago I paid $ 1800 .00 . You are trying to spin the conversation from a lifter that in needed because of the enhancements to some kind of advantage , you can't tell me that you and others will remove the enhancements you have already took advantage of , from what I can see on here you never complained about any of them witch I am sure you have on your car ,it seems to me that you have a self serving interest on here telling others what to do ,and you use the We as if you know what's best for you but say we to help booster your opinion ,you are only one of the over fifteen hundred stock racers in the country ,so from what I read on here when you make these statements like Leave the rules alone ,and we don't need another poll it is as if you want to tell others what to do ,just like you have in the past !

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Look at my history I’ve been fighting against rule changes for a pretty long time. Go back to when I raced my first stocker I was fighting against the rule changes. Has nothing to do with being self-serving. I don’t race a car with roller lifters I have never owned a car with roller lifters. I don’t like the rules getting further away from Stock they are right now. That is my position. If you want to race cars roller lifters build a combination with roller lifters. And your argument could just be turned around and put your name in front of it. How can you speak for 1500 people that you think want rule changes? The problem is one racer thinks we should have roller lifters but he’s not looking at the cost on top of it or where it takes the engine program . It’s just now “I can buy roller lifters now it’s cheaper and I can go racing faster” has nothing to do with any of the other issues that pop up from it.

To each his own.
I had two purposes when I first posted. One was to get the items I need and go racing. The second is:
I'm trying to make people aware that parts are becoming an issue and the idea of sitting on your hands and watching as the corporate world rapes customers with over priced items and wants to call it a shortage is BS. It's greed, plain and simple. Allow changes to alleviate the monopoly and you stop the greed.

[john ancona]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Look at my history I’ve been fighting against rule changes for a pretty long time. Go back to when I raced my first stocker I was fighting against the rule changes. Has nothing to do with being self-serving. I don’t race a car with roller lifters I have never owned a car with roller lifters. I don’t like the rules getting further away from Stock they are right now. That is my position. If you want to race cars roller lifters build a combination with roller lifters. And your argument could just be turned around and put your name in front of it. How can you speak for 1500 people that you think want rule changes? The problem is one racer thinks we should have roller lifters but he’s not looking at the cost on top of it or where it takes the engine program . It’s just now “I can buy roller lifters now it’s cheaper and I can go racing faster” has nothing to do with any of the other issues that pop up from it.

There you go again putting your spin , I never said 1500 racers want rule changes , I am sure have none of the changes on your car that have moved us closer to Super Stock !

[Doug Hoven]

Originally Posted by john ancona

There you go again putting your spin , I never said 1500 racers want rule changes , I am sure have none of the changes on your car that have moved us closer to Super Stock !

I'm not sure which changes you would be referring to, but both of the combinations that Todd has built throughout the past 20+ years have not been given a great deal of the "enhancements" that combinations in the same classes have been given. Ok, maybe the 12 bolt rear in place of a 10 bolt is one, but I can't imagine that rule change having a similar reaction than allowing anyone to run a roller lifter in there engine.

[Larry Hill]

Ceramic lifters failure seems to start the snowball rolling for engine destruction. We brake the cam in on a fixture, run it on a dyno, race it with break in oil and then the ceramic lets go and it’s back to square one.

[Frank Castros]

Despite the disagreements of the subject matter this discussion of Valvetrain Geometry and how it legally applies to the rules of Stock Eliminator is fascinating.