Hope I do not regret this post and I hope it is taken as just an honest question.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

As an "observer" and a student who studies the history of things, it would seem to me, that quite frankly we are only NOW seeing again what WAS in the Beginning.

Look at factory involvment then ?

THEN You could walk right into the dealer , as now and buy a KILLER combo, maybe it was only good for a year or so, but look at some of the bastard monstrosities that were built for Stock back in the day.

NOW They run right along side the 93 Camaros etc.

Look at what evolved into the Funny Cars, the AFX cars, that were at first STOCK Cars.....

I see only a Lapse in this being the norm, it was this way in the beginning, not in the middle and is now again.

Maybe Im wrong, but it would seem in the Interm people got used to the way things stagnated from a perspective of factory involvment and carved an honored and much deserved place for themselves. Now that the factories are involved AGAIN, its "Foul" ?

Im confused, I do understand, like I said, on motorcycles it came to the point the bikes I loved became "Vintage" class, it was a hard pill to swallow, especially when for 4 or 5 years they could have still been competitive, NOW however anyhting less than a FI bike and Im out of the game.....times change....I have a choice stand still and let things pass me by, or adapt. This year for the FIRST time since my GPZ I am considering a FI bike, why because I would like to "Play" a bit and with country travels there are some tracks Ive always wanted to run.....

Anyway another 39.7 cent installment from the Drooze....

Like I said in another thread I think the new package cars will HELP Involvment and ATTENTION to Stock racing, some agree, some disagree. That ok, everyone everyone is entitled to their opinion, them theirs and me ours.

Originally Posted by bsa633

To me the class have lost most all of it's appeal now....not because of new cars because they are needed,but the fact that now no one really have to work and research those new combo's very hard to "get there" you can almost just pick a new Mustang or a Challenger...and be head and shoulders above the rest of the competition right from the start...and because of that i dont think we will see the blend of cars we have today for very long..we are just not racing the same game anymore..everyone else is just bringing a knife to the gun fight..sure some will still take a shot at the eliminator but alla in all the older cars will dissappear or find a place in some type of Nostalgia events(maybe thats were they belong anyway)will be interesting to see what Fletch and alot of other Touring Pro's will do with when more new cars are coming out in the higher classes Mark F. has allready moved out but will be cornered by Challengers soon it seems..
Well..there will be alot of new Heroes in stock in the future but i doubt i personally will respect them that much!
As someone said..It's just business..and NHRA owns the game!

[Bruce Noland]

Andy,
Personally, I'm glad you started this thread. We need to discuss these issues. None of this would be happening if we were dealing with a decent sanctioning body. But unfotunately we are not. Some say this is just a business for the sanctioning body in question but the sanctioning body does such a good job at masqurading as a family oriented not for profit that it leaves many people bewildered when it makes so many self serving decisions. Make no mistake, these guys know exactly what they are doing. They have been lobbied successfully by the OEM's and others who have a lot to gain from these new cars coming into Stock and Super Stock. These new cars coming into Stock and Super Stock will feed the professional carreers of some and increase income for others, but of course these facts should not be considered when making decisions about Sportsman Racing. There are many indoctrinated racers who simply want to run down the track and they aren't bothered by the fact that very soon their way of racing will be gone forever. Gone? Why-come? Because most racers cannot afford $100,000.00 racing programs and these new cars will simply shatter their dreams of working on their old combinations with the hopes of becoming a player in their respective classes. Nope, that dream is gone. It will be left to the 100 or so racers who are rich enough to exploit a lame, money-sucking sanctioning body.

Rock,
Please don't make us laugh. You need to put on that .200+ pulley you have in the tralier and turn it loose. Then we'll see who is the fastest.

[Jeff Teuton]

Like I said on another thread, where was all this concern for my stock trucks which got factored and classed from first to last, and where was the help I asked for for my 69 Six Pack car. Yall a little one sided. Let the system do the work. These new cars will surely step on their foot. Too many of them when they all get to the track. Hell I will probably step on my foot.

[Jack Matyas]

[QUOTE=Bruce Noland;177085]Andy,
Personally, I'm glad you started this thread. We need to discuss these issues. None of this would be happening if we were dealing with a decent sanctioning body. But unfotunately we are not. Some say this is just a business for the sanctioning body in question but the sanctioning body does such a good job at masqurading as a family oriented not for profit that it leaves many people bewildered when it makes so many self serving decisions. Make no mistake, these guys know exactly what they are doing. They have been lobbied successfully by the OEM's and others who have a lot to gain from these new cars coming into Stock and Super Stock. These new cars coming into Stock and Super Stock will feed the professional carreers of some and increase income for others, but of course these facts should not be considered when making decisions about Sportsman Racing. There are many indoctrinated racers who simply want to run down the track and they aren't bothered by the fact that very soon their way of racing will be gone forever. Gone? Why-come? Because most racers cannot afford $100,000.00 racing programs and these new cars will simply shatter their dreams of working on their old combinations with the hopes of becoming a player in their respective classes. Nope, that dream is gone. It will be left to the 100 or so racers who are rich enough to exploit a lame, money-sucking sanctioning body.

Bruce -- The way I see it is that it doesn't matter which of us is right as there are only two facts that are important right now -- the first is that the "new" cars are here to stay and the second is that the NHRA isn't about to back down and make serious changes to the current HP as you have suggested -- so here's the dilemma -- which do YOU need more -- a "new" car or a new sanctioning body ....................At some point you must realize that you can beat the drum as loud as you want but no one is coming .................

[Toby Lang]

Jeff,

You keep mentioning your trucks.

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Let me give you folks a little history. I used to race trucks in stock eliminator. When I got into my trucks I could run 1.60 under anywhere and faster on occasion. I qualified No 1 at Indy and anywhere. Over the years, I didn't change, my trucks didn't change, my motor didnt change, and the last two years in Indy, I could not qualify with my trucks.

I did a little research and the last time you ran a truck at Indy was in 2002. You qualified 58th at 1.011 under the index. That is very far from not qualifying. I'm sure there are a ton of people who would love to be able to qualify in the top half of the field at Indy.

Could you please post a link to where you didn't qualify at Indy those last two years? Because I can't find it.

Also, I believe you sold your truck to Kelly Thomas, correct? Kelly qualified at .947 under the index last year at Mission. Granted, it's not 1.95 under the old indexes, but it's still pretty good.


-Toby